won

I am literally not very smart so please excuse my ignorance, my a-gnosis.

The way I look at Gnosis: Christ and his followers were exactly like Buddha
in that they were Gnostics. Gnostics accepted Reality and took everything
else to be fiction. For this the very-material and thus "agnostic" Rome
tortured, burned and/or buried as many of these un-materialistic Gnostics
as they, Rome, could find.

The Church of Rome and its preachers and politicians then took this fiction
and turned it into their material, and thus "non-fiction," or "agnostic,"
religion. Scientists then came along with their material methods-of-science
to materialize anything they could imagine so that today we can have
everything from cell phones to the computers that movies like The Matrix
need to be "real."

There is only one absolute. It is called Reality. The Awareness of this
Reality is Gnosis. Everything else has to be Reality's fiction. Another word
for this fiction is dream, thoughts, words. Gnostics believe that the
material universe is this fiction that only appears to be material. Physics,
with its Uncertainty Principle, is trying to tell us the exact same story.

The Gnostic story of Physics: Scientists assures us that the thought called
matter cannot exist because it has to have its anti-matter before it can
exist. After this rock-solid certainty, physics then assures us that this
matter is not what it is because it is, at best, a quantum or
probability-cloud and thus cannot be rock-solid let alone certain. Then
physics tells us that it rock-solid matter has to be a quantum or
probability cloud so that its Uncertainty Principle can be rock-solid
certain.

Take everything that has come out of language's first thought, the big-bang,
to be a dream, like the movie The Matrix, and you will not only be a
"Gnostic" but you will also be Self-realized or God-realized just like
Krishna, Buddha and Jesus. With this Awareness or gnosis you can sit back
and laugh at all the scientists trying to outflank the futility they need
for all their thoughts not to be what they are: thoughts.

All this is just a joke, even if you take it seriously. If you take its
seriously, however, you cannot laugh until you wake up and realize that all
fiction is a joke but only if taken seriously. Without seriousness it is
just fiction.

the biggest joke: Won

arox

Hello,

Regardless of what people think reality is really like or not like
etc, the Bible tells humans the conclusion of the matter. Ec 12:13,

"Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear
God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole [duty] of man."
(NIV)


Sincerely, James


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shriven leper

The Bible is confused about the beginning of the matter - it has two
different creation stories in Genesis - so it can hardly be
trustworthy about the conclusion of the matter.


On the contrary, the whole duty of man is to find and know himself,
as the Gnostics teach.

And the Bible is ambiguous on this subject, as well as virtually
every other subject.

- sl -

kater moggin

arox@surfbest.net (James):


shriven leper <bastaschs@peak.org>:

Ecclesiastes is highly ambiguous on this topic. "Fear God
and keep his commandments" conflicts with Ecc. 4:1-3, which
rejects life in the world the Creator made and rules, insisting
the dead are better off than the living and best of all is to
never have existed. A thought also in Job ("Let the day
perish in which I was born") and exactly paralleled in _Oedipus
at Colonus_:

Not to be born surpasses thought and speech. Second
best is to have seen the light and then to go back
quickly whence we came.

-- Moggin

fuzzie jester

I couldn't have said it better, or more eruditely, myself. Well said and a hearty "Hear!
Hear!".
--
Fuzzie Jester
--------------------
"Hell is other people."

"Man is a useless passion. "

Jean-Paul Sartre (1905 - 1980)

shriven leper

As always, excellent citation. Scriptural ambiguity does not sit
well with JW's or anyone else who wants to present the Bible as a
monolithic "book" with a single divine message...

- sl -

Who did that translation of Oedipus at Colonus?
All the online versions I found are identical -- translated into
poetry rather than prose, and not as effective:

Not to be born at all
Is best, far best that can befall,
Next best, when born, with least delay
To trace the backward way.

http://www.gutenberg.net/dirs/etext92/oedip10.txt

kater moggin

Kater Moggin <kimmerian@fastmail.fm>:

wantthat99@aol.com:

Robert Fitzgerald. If you're looking, it's the one in the
Modern Library edition.

-- Moggin

fuzzie jester

Neither does historical truth.
--
Fuzzie Jester
--------------------
"Hell is other people."

"Man is a useless passion. "

Jean-Paul Sartre (1905 - 1980)

shriven leper

Indeed, they can't admit that Xty as we know it is an invention of
the Fourth Century, a creation of world-weary Greeks who, in their
febrile need to make Jesus into "God", fractured God's unity, hatched
the "trinity", and retrojected their broken God and hybrid monstrosity
the "God-Man" back onto the Gospel Jesus, while from the black castle
dread Dracul emerged in the spectral light of a gibbous moon to the
flapping of winged rodentia as Walpurgisnacht revelers feasted on
corpse-flesh and apes danced round a blood-soaked altar older than
Lemuria and the Huntress Diana skewered hapless travelers in the
fungoid beams of her terrible light and caped skeletons red-deathed
their Masques through the miasmic tarned valleys of devil-plagued
Europe and men writhed in the dirt, features turning wolflike to the
heavy footfalls of Prometheus unbound and the Loathly Wurrum
fire-breathed devastation far and wide and the Gentry exchanged their
brood for the children of men and the Walls Between The Worlds were
thin as paper and transparent as gauze.

Halloween is almost here, eh.


- sl -