jesus christ

Woden <woden@charter.net> :


He sounds an awful lot like a True Christian - ignoring all the parts of
the bible except those that fit his biases. Bet he can list and cross-
reference every condemnation of homo***uality, but can't for the life of
him tell you where the eternal, undying law against shellfish is.

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doug semler

At some point in the past, J.R. <hey-joe@swbell.net> posted this drivel:

Oh oh I know this one.

In ancient times, when people planned to be out for the day, they would
often put food into "pockets" which were in their cloaks. When the members
of the multitude found that they had been gone longer than planned, many
people did not have food, but many did. The miracle here wasn't that Jesus
fed people on only 5 loaves and 7 fishes, but that the "haves" shared with
the "have-nots."


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duke32

On 25 Jul 2003 15:45:54 -0700, heatherthompson4@yahoo.com (Heather


Wow.
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duke32

No, God loves the sinner, but hates the sin.

"In his name"? No, definitely not.

If this part falls in the same catagory as the rest that I have read,
there's a really good lesson to be learned there.


No kowledge of good and evil? What part of "NO" do you think they misunderstood?


Wrong - God loves the sinner, but hates the sin.

Not that I know of.

Just everyone.

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duke32

Hey, I'm a Christian, and the New Testament with the 4 gospels, which
are the words right out of the lips of Christ himself, are the
Christian part of the bible - that's where I spend my time.

You must be Jewish if you spend all your time in the Hebrew section -
the Old Testament.

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duke32

Shhhhhh, don't tell jr.

Wonderful. You and I concur - in those days and locations, one does
not wander far from home without food and water on his person.

So Jesus, as he brought out the love in each one's heart, caused the
hard hearted to demonstrate true love for his fellow human being.

And that is the very message of the new commandment Christ gave us in
John 13:34 - "love one another as God loves us".

However, as beautiful this story is, we still can't rule out the
willingness of our loving God to actually produce that food on his
own. So the miracle still stands as an answer.


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scott rutter

That's a pretty interesting term for "innocent child". So, you feel
your diety is justified in killing millions of innocent children
because they might commit sin in the future? That's pretty sick.

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woden

So this god loves the sinners so much he kills them and then sends them to
eternal torture in hell for their sins. Yeah, sounds like love to me.

But he sure doesn't stop them based on his "love" for people.

Yeah, don't trust this god creature of the bible.


If they didn't understand "good and evil" how could they know that
disobedience was "evil"? I read the story and realize that this god lied
to A&E and then got mad that when they learned about good & evil and then
threw them out of Eden so they couldn't also partake of the tree of eternal
life. Yeah, sounds like a loving god to me.


And this god loves the sinners so much he has them killed and sent to hell for eternity.


No, the bible god notoriously tells people to go to war and kill in his
name. A sure sign of his love for humanity.

Except the sinners, non-believers, infidels, non-xians, etc. that he sends
to eternal torture in hell. (Actually, according to the bible, in the NT
which you seem to like, he only saves 144,000 jewish men to go to heaven.)


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Woden

"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."

duke32

That's right. We know beyond a doubt that loads of verbal
communication from eye witnesses went into the bible. And we may have
loads of written also that fed into the assembly called the bible.

Me - yes, you - no.

Fact. It's what we as human do - use our ability to use logical
reasoning to profess that what we cannot touch. No other known life
form below us can do that.


The God of the earthman is the same as the God of the alien, if there
are aliens (which I certainly don't deny).


Lower life forms (on earth, including considering a rock a life form)
have varying, BUT INCREASING, levels of awareness.

We are the only (known) creature that has the ability to project
logical thought. Why would we be more than one intermediate step in
the variable scale from totally inaminate to supreme being?


And this is not a jury.


Ok, you can't explain your question clearly, and I don't understand
what you're asking, so that's where we stand on this one.


"Probably'? Not very positive, are you?

And likely afraid of the real truth to boot.


Why - found guilty of heresy by an inquirer.

Way info gathered - witnesses, and up to torture

Penalty if innocent - go home

Penalty if guilty - 1) repentant - go home
2) unrepentant - execution by secular authorities

No answer, eh.


Can you catagorically rule it out?


We can't prove the existance of God. We can only use the available
evidence to make a reasoned decision. I believe, you don't.

The eternal ramifications.

Of course it doesn't *prove* anything. I keep admitting that.

Claiming that "X" is true for me is based on my acceptance of what I
see as "reasonable" evidence. And I want it enough to direct my life towards it.


No, it didn't. You can't see past the outer limits of the circle.
And the other side has never been seen by mankind (until the
astronauts).

Reasoned logic tells you and I there's a backside, if for no other
reason that we beleive that some men circled the moon (if it was not
just a movie made in Hollywood :-)).


A supreme being is REASONED.

And men saw the risen Jesus, just like men saw the back side of the moon.

Correction - I have *NO* burden of proof. I believe - if you don't,
that's your problem to live with.


Tsk tsk, bdk. We all know that is a bad situation, although not as
bad as the media presents it.

Remember, the Church didn't cover it up, but some "bad" men did play a
part in varying degrees.

Nobody is excusing it, nobody lacks sorrow for it, nobody is letting
it go uncorrected. It WILL be corrected, and the Church will move
forward better than ever.


Consciousness is brain oriented, and will turn to dust.
Conscienceness is soul oriented, and will last forever.


Never actually seen for so much as one second in all of eternity.

If there is a God, then those of us that believe hope to spend all
eternity with him in love. Atheists, the people that rejected him,
would likely be given their just reward - to continue to live without
him for all eternity, and because God is all love, "hell" is all no
love - no love of God, no love of self, no love of familly and friend,
no love of anything.

If there is no God, I wasted my time in a most happy fashion. And you
and I get nothing next.

Really very simple.

Keeping Godless harmony in the family is only temporary.

I can't even pretend to reach the threshold of proof.


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First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
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bdk

In article <l545iv4jn1g6vktc2ktv6qm47gkaih58mp@4ax.com>, duke32
@earthlink.net says...

The hmmm was not me saying to myself "maybe he's got a point", it's more
of me shaking my head wondering how you can buy such an obviously mostly fictional book..


We're just the result of a meteor or comet hit long ago that killed the
dinos off, if they hadn't gone extint, I seriously doubt we would even
exist as a species remotely close to what we are now.

I'm a jury of one, and I give it a big ****** down.

What real truth would I be "afraid of"? Your the one believing in angels
and devils and stuff.


If you believe that, you need to read a book written by a non catholic,
non defender, about it. Then you'll see.


The answer is you will twist and turn and do anything to try to make
reality line up with your superstitions. I don't dance, Earl, you must
be the Fred Astaire of this newsgroup.


It's so ridiculous, I really know what to say....


Of your superstions, that's all. It has no more clout with me than the old Mayan beliefs.


Hey, whatever you want to believe, as long as you believers don't shove
it down my throat, I couldn't care less what you do in private.

No, it's something you WISH FOR.


And I don't believe they really saw anything of the sort, I think it's a
story that got "amplified".

Wanna bet? I bet the number of victims is into the mid five figures if
they all were revealed. It looks like there's a thousand or so in Boston
alone. Add New York, Philly, Chicago, etc. Almost all my friends are
Catholic and non of the men were molested (at least they don't admit
it), but one of the women was hit on by a nun at the all girls high
school she went to until her junior year, after that, she refused to go
back and went to the same school I did for senior year.


I think the lawsuits and fallout will be going on for years and years.

Nobody's seen your guy either!

uh huh...

Well yeah, jobs and parents don't last forever.

Glad to see you admit it.

BDK