john fitzsimons

As a number of Spiritualists do some form of "energy" healing it is
not surprising then that a number of them are interested in how the
opposite can happen. How people can lose their energy.

"Energy Vampires" by Dorothy Harbour (ISBN 0892819103) goes
some of the way in explaining this. She explains how individuals, and
groups, can drain others. She also goes on to suggest ways to counter
such actions.

What I found of particular interest though was her discussion of the
"karmic" consequences of company formation and operation. (Though
I don't think she actually used the word "karmic".) Something seldom
discussed.

All in all this is a book that most Spiritualists should be able to
get something of worth from.


Regards, John.

Spiritualists should be doing whats known as spiritual healing.
if in the UK you decide to study spiritual healing heres one of the
question youll be asked
name the 3 types of healing
one of them is considered magnetic healing, to me its the real reason
that jo bloggs visits another in hospital
the reason why magnetic healing is mentions is purely to demonstrate
what is not spiritual healing

as far as "energy" is concerned this universal ki that is as common as
water is to fish, doesnt have to be worked if you are genuinely being
a healing medium

im not an expert by my standards but it seems i know more than the so
called experts. Ive only been studying mediumship in its various forms
for 10 yrs, that qualifies me to be able to talk about the basics.
email me direct if you decide. or do both if you want to see my
response in public

if you are genuinely chanelling/ being a healing medium then you
have no worries about losing your energy

most folks categorised as psychic vampires drains etc sub consciously
feed off others
i may be wrong here but a book i studied called the healing experience
by malcolm southwood i think
he was talking about how he spotted the vamp and held back , and
in doing so felt very bad
if we are channels then we are channells, instead of holding back
we make sure its chanelled through us
so the next vampire you meeet expect a lot of juice to flow throw you,
not from your vital core,


I dont thin a genuis is needed to work out the consequences of
deliberately psychicly vamping some one
there is another couple of proper terms for this, i wont use them here
cos it seems its the fashion to use phrases etc without any knowledge
of meaning

vampires come in various forms for the ones trying to make themselves
sound oh so more, i recomend holding back on them.
for the vampires that dont realise what they are doing, education
would be good.
for the vamps that are doing it deliberately why?
it only results in bad ju ju for you so why do it?
now we can ponder learned behavious as a child

after all we are dealing with a spirit controling a human/animal
body arent we???
WLLL

john fitzsimons

Yep, a mother who hugs an upset child will often do magnetic healing too.


A healer may not need to worry about energy draining but his patients may need to.

A common enough occurrence. People who haven't had the experiences
of others will often consider them impossible/unlikely.

Unfortunately, when I first started learning about mediumship/healing
over 30 years ago there weren't internet newsgroups where people
could learn about/discuss these sorts of things. Fortunately the world
has changed a lot since then. :-)


Regards, John.

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john fitzsimons

If one is a healing medium then one is likely to come across people
who have lost energy through someone dead, or alive, depleting them.
Simply healing them isn't the best approach. This is because
whoever/whatever drained them is likely to do it again at a later time.

As I haven't read the book you mention I cannot comment on his experience.

If the person he/you are talking about was considered by him to be a
psychic vampire then the vampire effect should not have affected the
healer. That is assuming however that he/she is able to channel
sufficient energy to match/surpass the discordant energy encountered.
Some healers are not strong channels however. Such healers should
consider referring the situation to someone else who is a stronger
channel than themselves in these types of situations.

Agreed, but many people don't believe in karma so aren't worried about any "consequences".

There are a number of reasons why a person vampires someone else. One
of the most common reasons from my experience is to weaken the
person(s) being vampired. This makes it much easier to manipulate/control them.

That depends on what you mean by "spirit". We are all "spirit". Some
are physically alive and some aren't.
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Regards, John.

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john fitzsimons

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If you mean that people can only be affected by energy vampires if one
has the karma to be affected by them then I would be inclined to agree
with you.

If however we come across people who are victims of energetic vampires
I would still suggest offering to help them. It might be our karma to do that.


Levels of awareness isn't what makes one vulnerable to such
situations. I have come across people who have no awareness of what is
happening to them that have been affected. I have come across people
who have a very high awareness of what is happening to them that are
just as affected.

In both instances it helps the person to know what he/she can do to counter the situation.
< snip >


Nobody is talking about being harmed by God. We are discussing being
drained by people/things that act as energetic vampires.
< snip >

The theory is fine. In reality however the overwhelming majority of
people don't love poltergeists, devils etc.
< snip >

No idea what site you are talking about. This is a newsgroup, maybe
that's what you are talking about.


For a number of reasons. God works through people in the physical
world and the non physical world. Some of those people teach others in
person and others via such things as books.

The overwhelming majority of people get very little, or zero,
information from the non physical realms. Your advice means nothing to
such people.

Added to that even those who get information from discarnate sources
aren't always sure of those sources. One just needs to visit a lunatic
asylum to confirm that. Some inmates believe that they are hearing
God speaking to them.


As energetic draining can seriously affect one's physical, mental and
emotional well being it is useful to be aware of who/what might drain
us and know how to counter these situations.
< snip >

No, it wouldn't force people to do that at all. What it would do is to
produce a world of very ignorant people. The world before books was
a far poorer world, in regards to information/awareness, than it is now.

Hitler organised that sort of thing. He no doubt would have loved to
have you around.

People who are too lazy to learn from reading would probably agree
with you too. As would people who would rather spend their money on
cigarettes, booze, having a good time etc.

Many past/present governments deny their people access to some/all
of the books available for purchase elsewhere. This is to stop people
from becoming more aware and thereby potentially being a threat to
their leadership.

Many people don't know how to read, or write, or do arithmetic due to
a lack of books to help them to learn these things.

In some places one might be denied books due to their *** and/or
religious inclinations. Again, to discourage dissent, or to stop
people becoming more empowered.
< snip >

Many non spiritualists have been some of the most mediocre people
I have ever meet. I guess there must be a lot of mediocre people
around. :-)

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Regards, John.

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there is a degree of misunderstanding with my language and intent,
although i enjoyed your reply immensely thrilling and it made me very
happy and i laughed alot and lightheartedly about the hitler
bit..........every aspect of god or soul has the innate natural
ability to self enqiure with its whole body of God, its a natural law
that has always existed with this current manifestation of God. It is
the only metaphysical law of god science one needs to become aware of
to ascend from this room of our divine mothers mansion or plane of
existence or dimension. iam not saying the journey is easy to
differentiate between all the different sources of thought affecting
the sphere of your consciousness however everyone must eventually be
able to differentiate to graduate....like a bag of mixed lollies we
got when we were children had many different sweets that we learnt to
differentiate between them all, the milk bottle, the bannana, the
rasberry , the jelly baby ............the same applies with
identifying the taste or sensation of the thoughts affecting your
sphere of consciousness...........oh thats a bannana (an earthbound
disencarnate), or thats a jelly baby(a spiritual guide who has been
sent to you by the non pyhsical angelic hierarchy), or thats a
thoughtform created by another aspect of my own god at another time in
the space iam in like a home and i understand its potential affect on
me so i disallow it too, or feeling the thoughts of loved ones of
family from afar, and also learning to identify with your inner god
child voice, another one is you may meet someone without ever
physically interacting and know their name what they do even their
childs name etc, another lolly in the bag is clairuadience, another is
mischieves souls whose role it is as god to create the motion of
ascention.................if you only learn and practice the taste or
sensation when each interaction occurs which affects the sphere of
your consciousness you will learn to differentiate between them all
and eventually you throw away the empty white paper bag because you
have eaten them all and remember their taste and only choose to
identify with your inner child god voice........like jesus only
did....................his intent 24/7 with his father teacher and
master god that he learnt to very clearly express and take
responsibilty for. God is all things so were ever your attention is
focused or arises this is you face to face with your teacher and
master god so you learn to take complete responsibilty as it is your
own flesh and body you face only this.......so like when the father
who is made up of all the soul aspects of god as one heart and mind of
god directing the co imaginal godforce as the divine mother or the
playground for all the individual soul aspects to experience sends you
a funny and amusing demon, it will keep happening until you understand
god has only sent you a lover and when god computes that this child
aspect of god has got the message and understood the theory and
integrated it to the depth core of who they are your rules of
engagement changes and no more victim consciousness exists and your
realty is different. God has sent me lovers in the past, i ask him too
if this is our grace and will but no more are sent, because god or our
whole self understands i have understood the co imaginal godforce
eminating from the godhead or the heart and mind of god that i have
understood. But if i hear of a poltergiest or demon affecting someone
else i explain simply to them maybe with a loaf of bread you cannot be
harmed by your own loving body of god and god is allowing it because
you are not yet aware of your true nature and what you are apart of. i
love going to places inhabited by poltergiests especially and staying
there like in old gold ghost towns around aust and sleep in the space,
eventually woken wide awake with the disencarnate soul standing before
you, the temp drops and becomes icy, and then experiencing extreme
levels of love for this being its story of how its situation arose
naturally filters into my mind and in an instant depending on my level
of understanding and love the situation diminishes in a second or two
it is being vigilant, serving as gods grace and will and showing god
you understand. Another is purchasing the lowest vibration home in the
lowest vibrational areas of aust and allowing this to furthur be the
mechanism for your own ascention and be a witness to the non physical
hierarchy operating in the area being disengaged and replaced, not
because there was anything wrong with the old one who was presenting a
high degree of ascention mechanism, only because as your reality god
would like you to be a witness to its replacement with a hierarchy
directing a more loving godforce...............have you ever seen an
angel with a sword............their is no division of the non pyhsical
hierarchy, however the godforce is expressed even as hitler it is all
the divine love of god, hitler is another aspect of your own loving
body of god and an angel is saying in a previous incarnation to this
soul expressing iteslf as hitler this soul had a very strong dread for
such people who express themselves like hitler and thus he became
hitler i can see the angel now also, it directs the godforce from the
godhead that animates our souls and the reality that symyltaneously
toaches the surface of the senses of all the children or aspects of
god........when i asked god about this some time ago i heard the
angels singing in their choirs condensing the godforce through the 33
spheres into reality........once an angel stood before me when i was
in the bush........its unconditional love for all aspects of god was
divine..........it had a huge gol;den aura and i had to almost stand
back it was so strong and evident...............i validate books for
this is my god expressing iteself but for myself the story book
toaching the surface of my senses and self enquiry is far more
thrilling and in reality just like reading a book, iam not lazy, have
just found reading boring since i was a child(i am dyslexic also and
sometimes words can even lose their meaning and i cant read or spell
very well) just my innate nature who reads a book of self enquiry,
infact i self enquired for 15 yrs as my only occupation, i was allowed
to do this given my birth position...........the only literature i
have seen that i relate to are the direct recorded lecturesof the Sai
Baba who has integrated the christ theory that has been presented to
him over his lifetime by his teacher and maker god, i too have
experienced god placing something inside my body and watching my arm
physically bulging as this gift has come out of my hand. the sai baba
is someone i strongly relate to and my experiences have been validated
after they have occured when i found a book of his lectures in the
early 70s when i was born, every time i come back to this newsgroup my
voice is less and less constricted. iam a person who becomes who
another allows me to become and express myself.............oh and i
dont use drugs, although i may activate sometimes my shaman aspect..
maybe if i become over stimulated i understand it is only my mind
creating this and my mind is not my true nature but a learning aid as
the senses are also in this schoolground what class are you in it
doesnt really matter as children at school even understand there are
levels of classes below and above them without any difficulty who
cares.......iam very determined to break free from this cycle of
rebirth and being sent here so it is my prime objective iam sincere
and hold on to nothing i express..lets talk some more and go deeper
into understanding as i love learning from all aspects of our god
body, and become thrilled when i commune with myself on the highest
level of understanding face to face, even though you represent another
aspect of our shared god body and iam not a spiritualist as you
express, but a mere obediant child sitting at the feet of my father
listening and learning with intense focus, a fool really or else i
wouldnt be here..ben

ben

yeh every psychiatrist does have a psychiatric condition, have you
read the diagnostic manual, our courts are governed by the contents of
this manual and how each individual psychiatrist chooses to wield this
dogma with their own individual twist varies also greatly. Some are
very dangerous individuals involved in some very evil and perverted
activities, dressed from head to toe in black. If one believes that
this institution has relevence apon their lives they become involved.
The only other people who i know off who legally have permission to
fry someones brain (ECT) are horse trainers who can push a horse to
the point when they become so overheated and they literally cook their
brains, this is when a horse just stops or collapses and the vet comes
out and cuts its ear to let the blood out, after this every horse
trainer knows such a horse is only good for the knackery. i once met a
nice lady who i later heard her family had been involved in having her
admitted because she told them she was having a personal awakening the
next time i saw her she was a zombie after receiving ECT living in the
shed of her own home while her family siezed all her assets sold them
and had her institutionalised. John i brought this person to your
workshop at phillip island to meet you with my son as i was very
interested in your response. Gods plan is unusual in this respect.
If a persons sphere of consciousness has become sensitised by the
grace and will of god to the affect of many different kinds of thought
forms and they cannot learn to differentiate between them all and a
person in guidence does not come there way and thay believe that this
institution has relevence apon there lives then yeh they could wind
up in an assylum. What type of a human being straps another to a bench
and electrically cooks their brain, one with little or no empathy who
are themselves psychiatrically ill as they blame others for their own
condition to validate their behaviour..................a psychiatrist
may ask a client over and over have you ever had a spiritual
exprience, an informed client would say something like yes i was once
camping in the forest and i saw this beautiful butterfly it was
amazing is this what you mean by asking me if i have had a spiritual
experience. An ill informed client forced to see a psychiatrist by the
courts who has had a spiritual experience may respond by saying could
you tell me what it is you are asking me, what is a spiritual
experience sir. The psychiatrist will more than likely probably refuse
to answer the clients question and persist with this line of
questioning. The client may eventually bite back by saying your dogma
governs the so called sane experiences of our society yet i am a
christain who pledges truth in court on a bible that you consider as a
sever pychotic illness and we live in a society with christain values
that have arisen from such spiritual experiences expressed in the
bible...........and because the psychiatrist is not made to record the
interview he can say whatever he wants in the report...........i
consider them the most dangerous of the dangerous......the courts and
psychiatrists only have relevence to those who are vulnerable at a
time and choose to engage. I once met a young lady who was one of the
most reasonable common sensed balanced individuals who had been
forcibly admitted, she was a circus performer and it took her nearly
10 yrs to escape. She was forced to be drugged but eventually escaped
and moved interstate.........she held no malice whatsoever and quitely
sat me down and told me the whole story.....i couldnt believe
it.....now i do after many more years of life experience......jesus
was well aware these institutions had no relevence to his
life........in the time before pyhsical books and knowledge was passed
on by story telling and song the very survival of the tribe was to be
able to clearly identify who these people were who had become
sensitised by god to have these types of experiences and guide and
protect them not austrasize them like in the west but train them for
they would be the shamans who would bridge the physical with the non
physical. Today someone like myself who has naturally become
sensitised has to be very discerning with whom he shares and maybe
even become a recluse like iam enjoying my own company and self
enquiry immensely because yes of course the most relevent cornerstone
of knowledge is naturally the most strongly rejected and irrelevent to
the world, but this isnt the point it is only relevent to my own souls
metamorphosis ascention enlightenment and realisation........one day
those who do not understand will also become sensitised.........a
caterpiller has only heard stories of others spinning a cacoon and the
butterfly well the caterpillar says what on earth is that fanciful
delicate creature that is so graceful and shortlived feeding on the
nectar or the integration of spiritual gold as graduation or the
highest level of awareness naturally occuring to ascend only from on
classroom to another...only this.i will gradually respond to your
responses as i have the opportunity, i can only respond on the level
of my own experiences if this is ok, the information in books is after
all also only recorded self enquiry... sincerely..ben

ben

yeh every psychiatrist does have a psychiatric condition, have you
read the diagnostic manual, our courts are governed by the contents of
this manual and how each individual psychiatrist chooses to wield this
dogma with their own individual twist varies also greatly. Some are
very dangerous individuals involved in some very evil and perverted
activities, dressed from head to toe in black. If one believes that
this institution has relevence apon their lives they become involved.
The only other people who i know off who legally have permission to
fry someones brain (ECT) are horse trainers who can push a horse to
the point when they become so overheated and they literally cook their
brains, this is when a horse just stops or collapses and the vet comes
out and cuts its ear to let the blood out, after this every horse
trainer knows such a horse is only good for the knackery. i once met a
nice lady who i later heard her family had been involved in having her
admitted because she told them she was having a personal awakening the
next time i saw her she was a zombie after receiving ECT living in the
shed of her own home while her family siezed all her assets sold them
and had her institutionalised. John i brought this person to your
workshop at phillip island to meet you with my son as i was very
interested in your response. Gods plan is unusual in this respect.
If a persons sphere of consciousness has become sensitised by the
grace and will of god to the affect of many different kinds of thought
forms and they cannot learn to differentiate between them all and a
person in guidence does not come there way and thay believe that this
institution has relevence apon there lives then yeh they could wind
up in an assylum. What type of a human being straps another to a bench
and electrically cooks their brain, one with little or no empathy who
are themselves psychiatrically ill as they blame others for their own
condition to validate their behaviour..................a psychiatrist
may ask a client over and over have you ever had a spiritual
exprience, an informed client would say something like yes i was once
camping in the forest and i saw this beautiful butterfly it was
amazing is this what you mean by asking me if i have had a spiritual
experience. An ill informed client forced to see a psychiatrist by the
courts who has had a spiritual experience may respond by saying could
you tell me what it is you are asking me, what is a spiritual
experience sir. The psychiatrist will more than likely probably refuse
to answer the clients question and persist with this line of
questioning. The client may eventually bite back by saying your dogma
governs the so called sane experiences of our society yet i am a
christain who pledges truth in court on a bible that you consider as a
sever pychotic illness and we live in a society with christain values
that have arisen from such spiritual experiences expressed in the
bible...........and because the psychiatrist is not made to record the
interview he can say whatever he wants in the report...........i
consider them the most dangerous of the dangerous......the courts and
psychiatrists only have relevence to those who are vulnerable at a
time and choose to engage. I once met a young lady who was one of the
most reasonable common sensed balanced individuals who had been
forcibly admitted, she was a circus performer and it took her nearly
10 yrs to escape. She was forced to be drugged but eventually escaped
and moved interstate.........she held no malice whatsoever and quitely
sat me down and told me the whole story.....i couldnt believe
it.....now i do after many more years of life experience......jesus
was well aware these institutions had no relevence to his
life........in the time before pyhsical books and knowledge was passed
on by story telling and song the very survival of the tribe was to be
able to clearly identify who these people were who had become
sensitised by god to have these types of experiences and guide and
protect them not austrasize them like in the west but train them for
they would be the shamans who would bridge the physical with the non
physical. Today someone like myself who has naturally become
sensitised has to be very discerning with whom he shares and maybe
even become a recluse like iam enjoying my own company and self
enquiry immensely because yes of course the most relevent cornerstone
of knowledge is naturally the most strongly rejected and irrelevent to
the world, but this isnt the point it is only relevent to my own souls
metamorphosis ascention enlightenment and realisation........one day
those who do not understand will also become sensitised.........a
caterpiller has only heard stories of others spinning a cacoon and the
butterfly well the caterpillar says what on earth is that fanciful
delicate creature that is so graceful and shortlived feeding on the
nectar or the integration of spiritual gold as graduation or the
highest level of awareness naturally occuring to ascend only from on
classroom to another...only this.i will gradually respond to your
responses as i have the opportunity, i can only respond on the level
of my own experiences if this is ok, the information in books is after
all also only recorded self enquiry... sincerely..ben

ben

yeh every psychiatrist does have a psychiatric condition, have you
read the diagnostic manual, our courts are governed by the contents of
this manual and how each individual psychiatrist chooses to wield this
dogma with their own individual twist varies also greatly. Some are
very dangerous individuals involved in some very evil and perverted
activities, dressed from head to toe in black. If one believes that
this institution has relevence apon their lives they become involved.
The only other people who i know off who legally have permission to
fry someones brain (ECT) are horse trainers who can push a horse to
the point when they become so overheated and they literally cook their
brains, this is when a horse just stops or collapses and the vet comes
out and cuts its ear to let the blood out, after this every horse
trainer knows such a horse is only good for the knackery. i once met a
nice lady who i later heard her family had been involved in having her
admitted because she told them she was having a personal awakening the
next time i saw her she was a zombie after receiving ECT living in the
shed of her own home while her family siezed all her assets sold them
and had her institutionalised. John i brought this person to your
workshop at phillip island to meet you with my son as i was very
interested in your response. Gods plan is unusual in this respect.
If a persons sphere of consciousness has become sensitised by the
grace and will of god to the affect of many different kinds of thought
forms and they cannot learn to differentiate between them all and a
person in guidence does not come there way and thay believe that this
institution has relevence apon there lives then yeh they could wind
up in an assylum. What type of a human being straps another to a bench
and electrically cooks their brain, one with little or no empathy who
are themselves psychiatrically ill as they blame others for their own
condition to validate their behaviour..................a psychiatrist
may ask a client over and over have you ever had a spiritual
exprience, an informed client would say something like yes i was once
camping in the forest and i saw this beautiful butterfly it was
amazing is this what you mean by asking me if i have had a spiritual
experience. An ill informed client forced to see a psychiatrist by the
courts who has had a spiritual experience may respond by saying could
you tell me what it is you are asking me, what is a spiritual
experience sir. The psychiatrist will more than likely probably refuse
to answer the clients question and persist with this line of
questioning. The client may eventually bite back by saying your dogma
governs the so called sane experiences of our society yet i am a
christain who pledges truth in court on a bible that you consider as a
sever pychotic illness and we live in a society with christain values
that have arisen from such spiritual experiences expressed in the
bible...........and because the psychiatrist is not made to record the
interview he can say whatever he wants in the report...........i
consider them the most dangerous of the dangerous......the courts and
psychiatrists only have relevence to those who are vulnerable at a
time and choose to engage. I once met a young lady who was one of the
most reasonable common sensed balanced individuals who had been
forcibly admitted, she was a circus performer and it took her nearly
10 yrs to escape. She was forced to be drugged but eventually escaped
and moved interstate.........she held no malice whatsoever and quitely
sat me down and told me the whole story.....i couldnt believe
it.....now i do after many more years of life experience......jesus
was well aware these institutions had no relevence to his
life........in the time before pyhsical books and knowledge was passed
on by story telling and song the very survival of the tribe was to be
able to clearly identify who these people were who had become
sensitised by god to have these types of experiences and guide and
protect them not austrasize them like in the west but train them for
they would be the shamans who would bridge the physical with the non
physical. Today someone like myself who has naturally become
sensitised has to be very discerning with whom he shares and maybe
even become a recluse like iam enjoying my own company and self
enquiry immensely because yes of course the most relevent cornerstone
of knowledge is naturally the most strongly rejected and irrelevent to
the world, but this isnt the point it is only relevent to my own souls
metamorphosis ascention enlightenment and realisation........one day
those who do not understand will also become sensitised.........a
caterpiller has only heard stories of others spinning a cacoon and the
butterfly well the caterpillar says what on earth is that fanciful
delicate creature that is so graceful and shortlived feeding on the
nectar or the integration of spiritual gold as graduation or the
highest level of awareness naturally occuring to ascend only from on
classroom to another...only this.i will gradually respond to your
responses as i have the opportunity, i can only respond on the level
of my own experiences if this is ok, the information in books is after
all also only recorded self enquiry... sincerely..ben