Joe 2010-02-05 03:28:42
the Charismatic / Pentecostal Universalist Gospel is different than
the gospel of the Bible.
these folks are under the strong delusion that they saved themselves
when they ‘ made a decision for Christ ‘ or ‘ accepted Jesus as their
Lord and Savior ‘.
this is the salvation by works gospel; the social gospel… it’s in
direct conflict with John 1:13 , 3:16 , 6:29 and other places.
it also means that God is not omnipotent since self saved people think
they can actually resist God’s will to save them by His free will,
love and grace since they can ‘ choose ‘ not to be saved if they so
its the old Arminian heretical gospel which makes man superior to God
as will worshippers love to do.
simply put, when someone explains just how they were saved and the
word ‘ I ‘ is in their sentence as the active doer rather than God as
the doer… you’ve met a brainwashed will worshipper.
it goes like this : ” I made a decision for Christ “…
” I ‘ accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior “.
when ” I ” am the cause then God takes the back seat and i have a
boost in my heart… but not before God.
the bluntest affirmation of who does the choosing are the words of
Jesus… ” You have not chosen Me… I chose you “.
it is not He chose me because ‘ I ‘ made a decision for Christ.
these people are yet dead in spirit since they are just self glory
boasters. they’re still chasing signs and wonders and God says He
will delude the lost with such in the end times.
so, since they’re ‘ falling over backwards ‘ ( which for the 3 times
it comes up in Scripture is only associated with evil ] and they’re
chasing after ‘ signs ‘ ( which were given only to establish the
gospel.. the gospel has been established 2000 years ago ) and they’re
‘ ‘ speaking in tongues ‘ which a simple study on the subject as it
comes up in Acts shows has been accomplished and finished. they’ve
proven by their salvation by good works gospel that the
‘ charismatic ‘ gospel is of the devil.
and by the way… the Bible word ‘ church ‘ means ‘ elect ‘… elect
means chosen by God… not by self.
” and… as many as were appointed to eternal life, believed ” Acts
Vince garcia 2010-02-05 03:28:54
You continue to be an idiot with your mindless, nonsensical ramblimgs.
You should stop preaching any sort of gospel, because God is going to
save whomever He will, and the person plays no part in making a
decision, so there is no need to proclaim tbe gospel to the lost, who
really aren’t all lost because God has predestined some for salvation,
and thus already saved them
Even the Catholic church preaches a more correct gospel than YOU do
H.e. eickleber 2010-02-05 03:28:57
So is the Calvinist/Dispensationalist Gospel. [snip]
H.e. eickleber 2010-02-05 03:28:59
That actually happened in West Virginia amongst the Primitive Baptists who
took Calvinistic predestination to such an extreme that they figured it was
God’s job to go out and preach the Gospel, then bring the newfound believers
to them, so they quit doing mission work altogether.
Guess how long that denomination lasted?
Let’s just say that there aren’t too many of them around any more.
Go get ’em, tiger.
Lover 2010-02-05 03:29:18
In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful
Believe It or Not: You were Born Muslim!
What would you call a religion whose beliefs, practices and followers
are being bashed and bad-mouthed in practically every sphere of
activity, in almost every corner of the globe, yet it attracts
ever-increasing numbers of people?
A Paradox? A Miracle ? Or simply, The Truth: Islaam.
The fact that Islaam is the fastest growing religion in the world
today, is proof that our Creator has taken it upon Himself to perfect
the Truth that He sent all His prophets and messengers with — from
Aadam [AS] to Muhammad [SAW].
Studies conducted in the West show that the sheer number of new Muslims
is changing the demographic profile of countries all over the world,
and not all of them are born into Muslim families. With some 6 million
adherents in the United States, Islam is said to be the nation’s
fastest-growing religion. One expert estimates that 25,000 people a
year become Muslims in this country; some clerics say they have seen
conversion rates quadruple since Sept 11.
Ironically for a religion that is routinely bashed for
“subjugating” and “oppressing” its female followers, the number
of female reverts to Islaam outnumber the males 4:1!
The fact that more and more people are finding their way to Islaam,
notwithstanding the relentless propaganda, deliberate misinformation
and outright prejudice against it, never ceases to amaze me.
How do these people navigate in the darkness to find the light of
Islaam in spite of all the obstacles in the way?
The answer is that our Creator has granted each one of us a guiding
light — a pure, undefiled innate nature called the fitrah. Unlike
Christians who believe in the doctrine of Original Sin and assert that
each baby is born tainted with the sin of Adam’s disobedience to God,
Muslims believe that every child is born into a state of purity where
it recognizes its Creator and is naturally subservient to His laws.
In his book The Fundamentals of Islaamic Monotheism, Abu Ameenah Bilaal
Philips writes: Just as a child’s body submits to the physical laws
which Allaah has put in nature, its soul also submits naturally to the
fact that Allaah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make
it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early
stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which
the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and
Allaah does not hold it to account for this religion.
When the child matures in youth and clear proofs of the falsehood of
its religion are brought to it, the adult must now follow the religion
of knowledge and reason. At this point the devils try their best to
encourage him to stay as he is or to go further astray. Evils are made
pleasing to him and he must now live in the midst of a struggle between
his innate pure nature and his desires in order to find the right road.
If he chooses to follow his innate nature, his fitrah, Allaah will help
him overcome his desires even though it may take most of his life to
escape, for many people enter Islaam in their old age.
The Qur’aan also points to this phenomenon, where every soul that has
been created is asked Who their Lord is, and they testify that it is
none other than Allaah before they are born into the world.
When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Aadam their
descendants and made them testify concerning themselves. Saying: Am I
not your Lord? They said: “Yes, we testify to it.” (This) in case
you say on the Day of Judgement, “We were unaware of this.” Or in
case you say: It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allaah) and
we are only their descendants…[Surah Al-A’raaf 7:172-173]
Explaining this verse, the Prophet [SAW] said: When Allaah created
Aadam [AS] , He took a covenant from him …then He extracted from him
all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world,
generation after generation and spread them out in front of Him in
order to take a covenant from them.
He spoke to them face to face saying: Am I not your Lord? And they all
replied: Yes, we testify to it.
Allaah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He
was their Creator and the only true God worthy of worship. He said:
That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection,
“Surely we were unaware of all this. We had no idea that You were our
God.” [Silsilah al ahadeeth as Saheehah, Narrated by ibn Abbaas,
collected by Imaam Ahmad]
This is the reason why people who adopt Islaam are said to revert
instead of convert, because they are going back to their original
nature — the one they were naturally created with — which is
automatically aligned with the Universe, its Creator and His Laws; as
opposed to simply exchanging one set of beliefs for another.
Reverts to Islaam testify that this inner inclination to search for the
Truth, to know and follow it is a major factor in their adopting the
faith. It is interesting to see some of the reasons cited by reverts
for adopting Islaam:
“The Christian sect of Athanasians insistently inculcates the tenet
that Christianity is based on a belief in three gods (Trinity), that a
slightest doubt as to this belief will lead one to immediate perdition;
and that a person who wishes to attain salvation in this world and the
next should definitely hold a belief in the three gods: God, the Son of
God, and the Holy Ghost.
When I became a Muslim, I received a letter, which said: “By becoming
a Muslim you have damned yourself to perdition. No one can save you.
Jesus had begun to preach, he stated the unity of God and he never
claimed to be His son.
An answer for every question:
“I would always search for causes and purposes for everything. I
would anticipate logical explanations for them. On the other hand, the
explanations provided by priests and other Christian men of religion
did not satisfy me. Most of the time, instead of giving satisfactory
answers to my questions, they would dismiss the matter with evasive
prevarications such as, “We cannot understand these things. They are
divine secrets” and “They are beyond the grasp of the human
Upon this I decided to study, on the one hand, Oriental religions, and
on the other hand, books written by famous philosophers. The books
written by these philosophers always dealt with such subjects as
protoplasms, atoms, molecules, and particles, and did not even touch on
reflections such as “What becomes of the human soul?” “Where does
the soul go after death?” “How should we discipline our souls in
The Islamic religion, on the other hand, treated the human subject not
only within the corporeal areas, but also along the spiritual
extensions. Therefore, I chose Islam not because I had lost my way, or
only because Christianity had incurred my displeasure, or as a result
of sudden decision, but, on the contrary, after very minutely studying
it and becoming thoroughly convinced about its greatness, singularity,
solemnity and perfection
Direct relationship with one’s Creator:
Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity
or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don’t
understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects
(idols) to merely concentrate.” What she was saying was that in order
to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the
purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers.
Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the
entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with
the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of
One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes
all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the
believers of other religions with compassion.
Absolute equality before God, extended brotherhood:
There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They
were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans.
But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit
of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to
believe never could exist between the white and non-white.
America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion
that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in
the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who
in America would have been considered white – but the white attitude
was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never
before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors
together, irrespective of their color.
You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this
pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to
rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss
aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for
me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to
face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new
knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is
necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form
of intelligent search for truth.
During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from
the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept on the same rug –
while praying to the same God – with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were
the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose
skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the deeds of the
white Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black
African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana. We were truly all the same
(brothers) – because their belief in one God had removed the white from
their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their
Purity of prayer:
If I were asked what impressed me most in the religion of Islam, I
would probably say the prayers, because prayers in Christianity are
used wholly in begging God (through Jesus Christ) to grant worldly
favours, whereas in Islam they ar used to give praise and thanks to
Almighty God for all His blessings since He knows what is necessary for
our welfare and grants us what we need without our asking it.
Women’s rights and status:
No doubt, influenced by the usual condemnation of Islam from Christian
pulpits on the subject, I picked on polygamy. At last I thought I had
something; obviously Western monogamy was an improvement on this old
system. I talked of it to my Muslim friend. He illustrated with the aid
of newspaper articles how much true monogamy there was in England, and
convinced me that a limited polygamy was the answer to the secret
unions that are becoming so distressingly common in the West. My own
common sense could see that, particularly after a war, when women of a
certain age group far outnumber men, a percentage of them are destined
to remain spinsters. Did God give them life for that? I recollect that
on the radio programme known as `Dear Sir’ an unmarried English girl
had called for lawful polygamy, saying she would prefer a shared
married life rather than the loneliness to which she seemed to be
destined. In Islam no one is forced into a polygamous marriage, but in
a perfect religion, the opportunity must be there to meet those cases
where it is necessary.
Belief in the Qur’aan as Divine Revelation:
I read as much of the Qur’aan as I could. I was immersed in it. As I
read the verses in English, I repeated to myself over and over again,
this is what I have always thought and believed. What kind of book was
this? Before long I was reading the book and crying, and reading and
crying… it was as if something had overtaken me… I forgot what I
was looking for in particular, however when I came upon the verses in
Surah Baqarah 122-141 regarding Prophet Ibrahim (AS) I had found my
I had been searching for Isma’il (as), son of Prophet Ibrahim and his
wife Hajarah, who had been missing from the Hebrew brothers story. In
those verses I found the truth of religion… They say: Become Jews or
Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation). Say thou: Nay! (I
would rather) the religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods
with Allah. Say ye: We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to
us, and to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and that
given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the Prophets from
their Lord; We make no difference between one another of them: and we
submit to Allah.” (2:135-136) As I continued to read and cry, I became
intent upon finding someone who could connect me with others who
believed in this book!
The personal example of the Prophet Muhammad [SAW]:
I accepted Islam because I admired the Prophet Muhammad.[SAW]. I had
quite a number of Muslim friends in Zanzibar, who gave me Islamic
books, which I read in secrecy from my family. I became a Muslim
despite the remonstrances of my family and the oppressions of the
priests of Parsee religion, which had been my religion until that time.
I held fast to my religion and resisted against all sorts of threats.
Now I love Allaah and His last Prophet Muhammad [SAW] more than my life
Islaam withstands scrutiny and encourages reasoning:
Instead of asking a follower to believe in its precepts just
“because” or someone asks them to, Islaam encourages people to
think for themselves, reflect on the signs of God in Creation and
within their own selves. Little wonder then that a sizable number of
reverts are thinking people: scientists, astronomers, philosophers,
As created beings who can neither grant life nor ward off death, we owe
it to ourselves and The One Who Created Us to discover the Truth, to
follow it and to facilitate others to do the same.
H.e. eickleber 2010-02-05 03:29:31
We were all born liars and infiltrators into God’s people?
Guess I can go throw away my Bible now…(not).
Pastor steve w 2010-02-05 03:30:38
Ain’t no rags on this old head!
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Mike dundee 2010-02-05 03:30:48
Steve sometimes you can make me laugh.
That’s a good comeback.
So what 2010-02-07 16:00:34
Actually, you’re close. We were all born sinners.
Vince garcia 2010-02-07 16:01:16
A while back, some nailed a well known minister on this very subject. I
think it was Joh MacArthur, but I’m not certain of that
H.e. eickleber 2010-02-07 16:01:22
Yeah, did a quick search and came up with John F. MacArthur, Jr.
Definitely they type.
Dr. knapp 2010-02-07 16:01:24
That is in the name of JESUS and he is gracious and merciful,
Then it attracts people that do not want to die, and in nations that
there is no strong faith in God and that reject Jesus as Lord. I call them loosers.
There is no Truth in Islam. Not sure about “Islaam” what kind of
spelling is that>
Well it is not the fastest, it is only half the size of all the
Christian religions in the world. Then Muhammad is like his name MAD.
The only reason Islam has a growth in the USA is because they moved
here and most are just born into their mother or fathers religion. I
would say most likely most of that 25,000 are not converts from other
faiths, and the back door is open and many come in and go out. While
Christianity is reaching a much larger number the just 25,000 people a
year and many were muslims and now are born again believers in God thur Christ Jesus.
Then maybe the woman want to take over and get rid of the men, so they
can be free of the teachings that control them.
I do not believe those facts, and it is just propaganda nothing more.
By a gun to the head, convert or die.
You do not know the doctrine of the Christians, you got the cult
teaching of the Catholic Church. Every child is born without sin as
Jesus paid the price for sin and children are not born with the sin of
Accept Jesus Christ as Lord or reap the wages of your sin, and death in