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1 19th August 15:56
lilacdawndragon
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Hi, Nancy.
Don't give up hope yet. It's okay... don't feel guilty - no one can
do better than their best, and if it's impossible for expensive tests
to be carried out, or for you to travel 5 hours there and back to see
a reptile vet, then it's impossible ...please be reassured that you
really do seem to be doing everything you can...

I looked up Nolvasan and Chlorhexadine (same thing) and found info on
its use in lizards (green iguanas - very similar skin) here: (I'll
paste the relevent bit and the link, too, in case you want to check
it out):-

http://www.greenigsociety.org/firstaidkit.htm
Nolvasan
What is Nolvasan?
Nolvasan is the brand name for chlorhexidine. It is a disinfectant
and wound cleanser that has a very low toxicity rate, and it safer
for use around reptiles than something like bleach. It can be
expensive (between $30-55 (U.S.) a gallon) but it is sold in
concentrated form, so a little goes a long way. You can buy it from
your vet (expensive) or vet supply companies like KV Vet. Sometimes
you can get Nolvasan products in pet stores, and can sometimes be
found in large jugs which can be cheaper. Nolvasan has no real odor
so the scented variety isn't necessary.
How do I use Nolvasan?
Make sure you follow the directions on the bottle. Diluted at the
rate of 3 ounces per gallon of clean water, Nolvasan can be used to
disinfect or sterilize tubs/cages/other surfaces. To disinfect, first
clean the object. Then, spray, wipe on, or soak the object in the
diluted solution, and allow it to sit for at least 10 minutes (15-20
does a better job). To sterilize, allow it to sit or soak for at
least half an hour.
You can use this strength to flush a wound, as well. Chlorhexidine
diacetate is a common ingredient in a variety of animal products,
including dental rinses for dogs and cats. You can also buy different
formulas like scrubs or pre-moistened pads if that is more
convenient, although it may be more expensive.

Then I thought, you need to know what dilution to use your 4%
solution, as they all come in different strengths. I found this:

http://www.petstruly.com/1850.html
ChlorhexiDerm Shampoo 4% Active Ingredient(s): Chlorhexidine
Gluconate 4%
Prescription is required for this product.
For dermatological conditions where an antiseptic, antimicrobial,
antifungal, cleansing and deodorizing formulation may be of benefit.
A full strength antiseptic, antimicrobial cleansing formulation with
coat conditioners, ChlorhexiDerm Maximum 4% Shampoo provides
antiseptic activity and a persistent antimicrobial effect against a
wide range of microorganisms, including gram-positive and gram-
negative bacteria. Effectiveness of ChlorhexiDerm Maximum 4% Shampoo
is not reduced by presence of organic matter (such as blood). By
binding to the protein of the skin, chlorhexidine provides increased
residual activity. ChlorhexiDerm Maximum 4% Shampoo is extremely
effective for those moderate to severe dermatological conditions
which require a full strength antimicrobial, antiseptic cleansing
formulation. Active Ingredient(s): Chlorhexidine Gluconate 4%
Directions For Use:
Wet coat thoroughly with water. Apply and lather shampoo over the
entire body, allowing for 5-10 minutes of contact time. Rinse
completely with water. Repeat procedure if necessary.

I think Cheri (our Pogona_Diseases expert on yellow fungus) may be on
vacation as she hasn't posted on the board for a while now, but I
know she'll offer advice when she returns. I'll have a look through
the files and posts here and see if I can come up with a summary of
recommended treatment (how often to bathe etc) but chlorhexidine
baths are an important part of treatment,(and they will ALSO help
kill a bacterial skin infection too, so you've got both diagnoses
covered in one treatment..)

There is a good article by Cheri here:
http://www.reptilerooms.com/Sections+index-req-viewarticle-artid-46-
page-1.html
That link will break in the email, here is a short version that takes
you to the same page:
http://tinyurl.com/zyeeu

I'll have a look for info on how much probiotic gel to use, and if I
find anything I'll post it up.

Frances

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2 19th August 16:02
lilacdawndragon
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Probios Oral Gel for Pets.
Looks like a good product to me.
http://www.probios.com/gels.htm
....(scroll down till you get the right one)

The suggested dose is 1g at birth (as a sort of "starter") or 1 g/10
lb of body weight, for older animals following therapy or digestive
upset.. that would be for puppies and kittens but it would probably
be the same for beardies..

LOL, you are right, you're going to have to "wing it" but probiotics
are not drugs, they are pretty safe if used in moderation.
If your beardie is half the size of a newborn puppy, you could
logically guess that half a gram would be ok as a one-off dose...?
What do other people think? That would only be a small blob.
Or if you go on the "older animal" dose, if your young beardie only
weighs what mine do at 4 - 5 months old, (somewhere between 50 -
100grams, that's 2-4oz!) you only need about 0.025g. That would be...
a very small blob. Difficult to be more accurate than that!

Frances
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3 19th August 16:51
lilacdawndragon
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Hi, Nancy.
This post by Cheri is one from a while back, but it describes some
treatment for an eight-month-old beardie in detail, with the washes etc:

Message #1491 Re: [Pogona_Diseases] Emergency:Heart breaking yellow
fungus problem

To find it, go to the Pogona_Diseases website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pogona_Diseases
go to the Messages section,
and type 1491 in the little box next to the "Message #" and click Go.
The message index will then refresh and message 1491 appears at the top
of the new list.

Hope it gives you some encouragement.
All the best
Frances
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4 19th August 17:04
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Frances, Thanks a lot. I have the article from cheri smith about yellow fungus. That's why when you first e-mailed me I knew you were right on with your information. I've already started treatment and I'm basically doing the right thing. The gel is a greasy gel like shortening when is almost melting. I give her just a little bit. Oh, by the way I'm still not sure if she is a he??? I have checked everything and my granddaughter and me think it might be a boy, so a least Jupiter is a good name! Thank-you for being so understanding. I thought you wouldn't understand? I have spent a lot of money on both dragons and at some point you have to stop. I really believe a lot of these vets care more about the money. Don't get me wrong I feel they care but, not as much as I would like them to. Wish me luck on our little Jupiter, I'm glad someone cares besides me! Your friend Nanc.
----- Original Message -----
From: lilacdawndragon
To: Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:37 AM
Subject: [Pogona_Diseases] Re: bearded dragon help! - yellow fungus treatment


Hi, Nancy.
Don't give up hope yet. It's okay... don't feel guilty - no one can
do better than their best, and if it's impossible for expensive tests
to be carried out, or for you to travel 5 hours there and back to see
a reptile vet, then it's impossible ...please be reassured that you
really do seem to be doing everything you can...

I looked up Nolvasan and Chlorhexadine (same thing) and found info on
its use in lizards (green iguanas - very similar skin) here: (I'll
paste the relevent bit and the link, too, in case you want to check
it out):-

http://www.greenigsociety.org/firstaidkit.htm
Nolvasan
What is Nolvasan?
Nolvasan is the brand name for chlorhexidine. It is a disinfectant
and wound cleanser that has a very low toxicity rate, and it safer
for use around reptiles than something like bleach. It can be
expensive (between $30-55 (U.S.) a gallon) but it is sold in
concentrated form, so a little goes a long way. You can buy it from
your vet (expensive) or vet supply companies like KV Vet. Sometimes
you can get Nolvasan products in pet stores, and can sometimes be
found in large jugs which can be cheaper. Nolvasan has no real odor
so the scented variety isn't necessary.
How do I use Nolvasan?
Make sure you follow the directions on the bottle. Diluted at the
rate of 3 ounces per gallon of clean water, Nolvasan can be used to
disinfect or sterilize tubs/cages/other surfaces. To disinfect, first
clean the object. Then, spray, wipe on, or soak the object in the
diluted solution, and allow it to sit for at least 10 minutes (15-20
does a better job). To sterilize, allow it to sit or soak for at
least half an hour.
You can use this strength to flush a wound, as well. Chlorhexidine
diacetate is a common ingredient in a variety of animal products,
including dental rinses for dogs and cats. You can also buy different
formulas like scrubs or pre-moistened pads if that is more
convenient, although it may be more expensive.

Then I thought, you need to know what dilution to use your 4%
solution, as they all come in different strengths. I found this:

http://www.petstruly.com/1850.html
ChlorhexiDerm Shampoo 4% Active Ingredient(s): Chlorhexidine
Gluconate 4%
Prescription is required for this product.
For dermatological conditions where an antiseptic, antimicrobial,
antifungal, cleansing and deodorizing formulation may be of benefit.
A full strength antiseptic, antimicrobial cleansing formulation with
coat conditioners, ChlorhexiDerm Maximum 4% Shampoo provides
antiseptic activity and a persistent antimicrobial effect against a
wide range of microorganisms, including gram-positive and gram-
negative bacteria. Effectiveness of ChlorhexiDerm Maximum 4% Shampoo
is not reduced by presence of organic matter (such as blood). By
binding to the protein of the skin, chlorhexidine provides increased
residual activity. ChlorhexiDerm Maximum 4% Shampoo is extremely
effective for those moderate to severe dermatological conditions
which require a full strength antimicrobial, antiseptic cleansing
formulation. Active Ingredient(s): Chlorhexidine Gluconate 4%
Directions For Use:
Wet coat thoroughly with water. Apply and lather shampoo over the
entire body, allowing for 5-10 minutes of contact time. Rinse
completely with water. Repeat procedure if necessary.

I think Cheri (our Pogona_Diseases expert on yellow fungus) may be on
vacation as she hasn't posted on the board for a while now, but I
know she'll offer advice when she returns. I'll have a look through
the files and posts here and see if I can come up with a summary of
recommended treatment (how often to bathe etc) but chlorhexidine
baths are an important part of treatment,(and they will ALSO help
kill a bacterial skin infection too, so you've got both diagnoses
covered in one treatment..)

There is a good article by Cheri here:
http://www.reptilerooms.com/Sections+index-req-viewarticle-artid-46-
page-1.html
That link will break in the email, here is a short version that takes
you to the same page:
http://tinyurl.com/zyeeu

I'll have a look for info on how much probiotic gel to use, and if I
find anything I'll post it up.

Frances

--- In Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Nancy Quigley"

I'm 2 1/2 hours away from a Herp-Vet. I can't afford to spend anymore
money to have a culture done. I have to baby-sit my grandson and
there is no way I can do it! I talked to my vets assistant to see if
my vet could at least sell me Nolvasan and Acidolphiliz+. The
assistant called me back and sold me a shampoo with 4% Chlorhexidine
in it. I also got Probios gel which has lactobacillus in it. I don't
know how much to give and I'm going to have to wing it. Please, if
you or anyone else could help I'd greatly appreciate it. Time is
running out for Jupiter. I'm still giving her .07 of baytril every 24
hours. If she doesn't get better In a week, I'll have to put her to sleep.

was a burn on Venus's stomach. I Clean it with 1 part bleach to 30
parts water (everything) and then rinse it really well.

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5 19th August 21:57
nancy quigley
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Jupiter, is not spreading any more brown spots. I feed her 10 crickets in the morning (or him) Baytril, and I put a little of the probiotics on two of the crickets. I also give a small sringe of water not pedilite. Then she soaks in a chlorhexidine bath for about 5-10 minutes until she poops and I take her out of the sink. I then rinse her in clean warm water and take her out and apply monistat 1 to her brown spots. She has one on her chest , under upper arm, a tiny one on upper arm, 1 on the other upper arm and her one toe seems a little irrated. At least everything has stopped growing. In the afternoon I feed her about 7 crickets, a little mustard greens, and a pea. Wash it down with another syringe of water and another bath. At around 5:00 I feed her last meal and she sits on my lap when I watch tv and I feed her some yellow squash. When will her brown spots start turning black??? I would use tea tree oil but, the vet said, it's a little hard on them?
----- Original Message -----
From: lilacdawndragon
To: Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: [Pogona_Diseases] Re: bearded dragon help! - yellow fungus treatment


Probios Oral Gel for Pets.
Looks like a good product to me.
http://www.probios.com/gels.htm
...(scroll down till you get the right one)

The suggested dose is 1g at birth (as a sort of "starter") or 1 g/10
lb of body weight, for older animals following therapy or digestive
upset.. that would be for puppies and kittens but it would probably
be the same for beardies..

LOL, you are right, you're going to have to "wing it" but probiotics
are not drugs, they are pretty safe if used in moderation.
If your beardie is half the size of a newborn puppy, you could
logically guess that half a gram would be ok as a one-off dose...?
What do other people think? That would only be a small blob.
Or if you go on the "older animal" dose, if your young beardie only
weighs what mine do at 4 - 5 months old, (somewhere between 50 -
100grams, that's 2-4oz!) you only need about 0.025g. That would be...
a very small blob. Difficult to be more accurate than that!

Frances


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6 19th August 22:00
nancy quigley
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When do you think Jupiter will start eating on her own???
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Quigley
To: Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Pogona_Diseases] Re: bearded dragon help! - yellow fungus treatment


Jupiter, is not spreading any more brown spots. I feed her 10 crickets in the morning (or him) Baytril, and I put a little of the probiotics on two of the crickets. I also give a small sringe of water not pedilite. Then she soaks in a chlorhexidine bath for about 5-10 minutes until she poops and I take her out of the sink. I then rinse her in clean warm water and take her out and apply monistat 1 to her brown spots. She has one on her chest , under upper arm, a tiny one on upper arm, 1 on the other upper arm and her one toe seems a little irrated. At least everything has stopped growing. In the afternoon I feed her about 7 crickets, a little mustard greens, and a pea. Wash it down with another syringe of water and another bath. At around 5:00 I feed her last meal and she sits on my lap when I watch tv and I feed her some yellow squash. When will her brown spots start turning black??? I would use tea tree oil but, the vet said, it's a little hard on them?
----- Original Message -----
From: lilacdawndragon
To: Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: [Pogona_Diseases] Re: bearded dragon help! - yellow fungus treatment

Probios Oral Gel for Pets.
Looks like a good product to me.
http://www.probios.com/gels.htm
...(scroll down till you get the right one)

The suggested dose is 1g at birth (as a sort of "starter") or 1 g/10
lb of body weight, for older animals following therapy or digestive
upset.. that would be for puppies and kittens but it would probably
be the same for beardies..

LOL, you are right, you're going to have to "wing it" but probiotics
are not drugs, they are pretty safe if used in moderation.
If your beardie is half the size of a newborn puppy, you could
logically guess that half a gram would be ok as a one-off dose...?
What do other people think? That would only be a small blob.
Or if you go on the "older animal" dose, if your young beardie only
weighs what mine do at 4 - 5 months old, (somewhere between 50 -
100grams, that's 2-4oz!) you only need about 0.025g. That would be...
a very small blob. Difficult to be more accurate than that!

Frances


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7 20th August 03:46
jfemnikita1@aolcom
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Just a few general things i've discovered about yellow fungus: first off with Tea Tree as a propsed treatment - it can be very dangerous at levels too high for little bodies. However, Tea Tree comes from Australia as do our beardies so its interesting that it doesnt occur in the wild. I used it to treat what I believed to be yellow fungus. my beardie's skin shed later and she was fine. it just has to be diluted quite a bit - a little tiny drop in some water and maybe soak yours in it. or apply to spots.

I use natural therapy to treat my own illnesses. i've tried to use them on my animals after getting antibiotics that didnt work for a bantam rooster who had a comb fungus and he treated himself by eating some echinacea flowers growing in my yard. it just has to be a much, much smaller dose than for a person; both topically or internally.

good luck
Jase
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8 20th August 05:27
nancy quigley
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Jase, I would like to put the tea tree oil on after her bath because, I soak her in the chlorhexidine and then rinse her. How much water would you say to add to one drop of tea tree oil? Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jfemnikita1 (AT) aol (DOT) com
To: Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Pogona_Diseases] Re: bearded dragon help! - yellow fungus treatment


Just a few general things i've discovered about yellow fungus: first off with Tea Tree as a propsed treatment - it can be very dangerous at levels too high for little bodies. However, Tea Tree comes from Australia as do our beardies so its interesting that it doesnt occur in the wild. I used it to treat what I believed to be yellow fungus. my beardie's skin shed later and she was fine. it just has to be diluted quite a bit - a little tiny drop in some water and maybe soak yours in it. or apply to spots.

I use natural therapy to treat my own illnesses. i've tried to use them on my animals after getting antibiotics that didnt work for a bantam rooster who had a comb fungus and he treated himself by eating some echinacea flowers growing in my yard. it just has to be a much, much smaller dose than for a person; both topically or internally.

good luck
Jase

-----Original Message-----
From: quigmema (AT) charter (DOT) net
To: Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Pogona_Diseases] Re: bearded dragon help! - yellow fungus treatment

When do you think Jupiter will start eating on her own???
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Quigley
To: Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Pogona_Diseases] Re: bearded dragon help! - yellow fungus treatment

Jupiter, is not spreading any more brown spots. I feed her 10 crickets in the morning (or him) Baytril, and I put a little of the probiotics on two of the crickets. I also give a small sringe of water not pedilite. Then she soaks in a chlorhexidine bath for about 5-10 minutes until she poops and I take her out of the sink. I then rinse her in clean warm water and take her out and apply monistat 1 to her brown spots. She has one on her chest , under upper arm, a tiny one on upper arm, 1 on the other upper arm and her one toe seems a little irrated. At least everything has stopped growing. In the afternoon I feed her about 7 crickets, a little mustard greens, and a pea. Wash it down with another syringe of water and another bath. At around 5:00 I feed her last meal and she sits on my lap when I watch tv and I feed her some yellow squash. When will her brown spots start turning black??? I would use tea tree oil but, the vet said, it's a little hard on them?
----- Original Message -----
From: lilacdawndragon
To: Pogona_Diseases (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:10 AM
Subject: [Pogona_Diseases] Re: bearded dragon help! - yellow fungus treatment

Probios Oral Gel for Pets.
Looks like a good product to me.
http://www.probios.com/gels.htm
...(scroll down till you get the right one)

The suggested dose is 1g at birth (as a sort of "starter") or 1 g/10
lb of body weight, for older animals following therapy or digestive
upset.. that would be for puppies and kittens but it would probably
be the same for beardies..

LOL, you are right, you're going to have to "wing it" but probiotics
are not drugs, they are pretty safe if used in moderation.
If your beardie is half the size of a newborn puppy, you could
logically guess that half a gram would be ok as a one-off dose...?
What do other people think? That would only be a small blob.
Or if you go on the "older animal" dose, if your young beardie only
weighs what mine do at 4 - 5 months old, (somewhere between 50 -
100grams, that's 2-4oz!) you only need about 0.025g. That would be...
a very small blob. Difficult to be more accurate than that!

Frances


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9 20th August 05:58
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honestly i'd say for a cup of water you'd want a drop or two. use a container you can close and shake hard to distribute into water. i used q-tips on mine to apply to the spot. keep in mind most essential oils are (1) strong and (2) lethal to anything in high doses. keep it to a minimum and it will still be effective. hopefully that works out for you.

Jase
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yep, Jase is right...I just treated a dog for tea tree oil toxicity (can
cause hind limb paralysis and liver problems and weird stuff like that).
tea tree oil can be helpful for a lot of things, just be careful using it
in the little guys and dilute it way way down.

jen (I am still around, i am recovering from mono!!)

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