dawn gaudreau

---is there a rule to maintain the unity of our mailing list?


-- Original Message -----
From: Danny Fortin
To: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: [TheNaturalisticVivarium] Re: eastern water dragon


Agreed! Sorry for being so blunt...not trying to offend anyone here or make personal attacks...just trying to maintain the utility of our mailing list.


On the other hand, I agree with the rest of you that it would have been kinder (and better for the questioner) to have been told: "do a Google search for Physignathus "water dragon". Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish.......................


Ed
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Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
Dept. of Psychology, West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/epollak/home.htm
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Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, bluegrass fiddler and herpetoculturist...... in approximate order of importance.

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From: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com on behalf of Greg and April
Sent: Sun 5/7/06 11:41 PM
To: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [TheNaturalisticVivarium] Re: eastern water dragon


Still not seeing the forest because of the trees ?

Why don't you stop a sec, and figure out how someone new to the hobby, is to know which websites have good info, and which are full of it.

Way better that they ask here, then just assume that anything they read on the internet is true.

Doesn't matter if it isn't efficient, it's a matter of helping someone new to the hobby.


If you don't like it, why don't you make a FAQ for each and every species that may be bought at a pet store, that would be much more efficient.

Greg H.

pollak edward

My point was only to reinforce Sherry's admonition that we not jump to conclusions that someone is doing something because of sloth, stupidity or some other assumed internal trait.

Ed

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Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
Dept. of Psychology, West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/epollak/home.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, bluegrass fiddler and herpetoculturist...... in approximate order of importance.

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From: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com on behalf of Dawn Gaudreau
Sent: Wed 5/10/06 4:11 PM
To: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [TheNaturalisticVivarium] Re: eastern water dragon


and your point?

dawn gaudreau

Thank you Sherry.........I too thought that a remark made to a newcomer
should be welcoming....and kind...we were not all born into this world
knowing everything......we all had to start somewhere...and the net is also
very confusing....I would much rather rely on someone experienced in
actually raising my choice of animal...than try to sift throug all the info
on the net.....
Dawn

leo daher

I thought your point was very clear.


From: "Pollak, Edward "
Reply-To: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
To:
Subject: RE: [TheNaturalisticVivarium] Re: eastern water dragon
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:19:30 -0400

My point was only to reinforce Sherry's admonition that we not jump to conclusions that someone is doing something because of sloth, stupidity or some other assumed internal trait.

Ed

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
Dept. of Psychology, West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/epollak/home.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, bluegrass fiddler and herpetoculturist...... in approximate order of importance.

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From: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com on behalf of Dawn Gaudreau
Sent: Wed 5/10/06 4:11 PM
To: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [TheNaturalisticVivarium] Re: eastern water dragon


and your point?

danny fortin

"I would much rather rely on someone experienced in
actually raising my choice of animal...than try to sift throug all the info
on the net....."

So would I! In fact, I would much rather rely on someone more experienced to do my laundry and make my bed...as well as file my income taxes and drive me to work.

Sadly, most people won't do these things for me. I have to actually do them myself. Now, like you said, it can all get confusing. So, after I actually make an effort to sift through information and acquire some basic info, I ask someone specific questions.

I hope you can see my analogy here. There's a difference between saying "tell me how to make my cage look natural," and saying "would you mind naming some hardy plants that would do well with a water dragon?"

By the way, Dawn and Sherry, you both seem so supportive of this "newbie," so I really don't understand why you haven't offered him any information. Why don't the two of you write him detailed e-mails explaining how to set up an vivarium? Heaven forbid he should have to "sift throug all the info on the net....."


should be welcoming....and kind...we were not all born into this world
knowing everything......we all had to start somewhere...and the net is also
very confusing....I would much rather rely on someone experienced in
actually raising my choice of animal...than try to sift throug all the info
on the net.....
Dawn

pollak edward

Hey, I've got one of those........ I call her my wife!!!! (Actually, I do the laundry and drive myself to work. But she does the rest of it!)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
Dept. of Psychology, West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/epollak/home.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, bluegrass fiddler and herpetoculturist...... in approximate order of importance.

________________________________

From: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com on behalf of Danny Fortin
Sent: Wed 5/10/06 4:57 PM
To: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [TheNaturalisticVivarium] Re: eastern water dragon


"I would much rather rely on someone experienced in
actually raising my choice of animal...than try to sift throug all the info
on the net....."

So would I! In fact, I would much rather rely on someone more experienced to do my laundry and make my bed...as well as file my income taxes and drive me to work.

Sadly, most people won't do these things for me. I have to actually do them myself. Now, like you said, it can all get confusing. So, after I actually make an effort to sift through information and acquire some basic info, I ask someone specific questions.

I hope you can see my analogy here. There's a difference between saying "tell me how to make my cage look natural," and saying "would you mind naming some hardy plants that would do well with a water dragon?"

By the way, Dawn and Sherry, you both seem so supportive of this "newbie," so I really don't understand why you haven't offered him any information. Why don't the two of you write him detailed e-mails explaining how to set up an vivarium? Heaven forbid he should have to "sift throug all the info on the net....."


Dawn Gaudreau wrote:

Thank you Sherry.........I too thought that a remark made to a newcomer
should be welcoming....and kind...we were not all born into this world
knowing everything......we all had to start somewhere...and the net is also
very confusing....I would much rather rely on someone experienced in
actually raising my choice of animal...than try to sift throug all the info
on the net.....
Dawn

danny fortin

Hahaha...you crack me up. I still remember what you said about your wife putting overturned cups atop every cricket she finds...classic!

Hey, I've got one of those........ I call her my wife!!!! (Actually, I do the laundry and drive myself to work. But she does the rest of it!) <g>


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
Dept. of Psychology, West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/epollak/home.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, bluegrass fiddler and herpetoculturist...... in approximate order of importance.

________________________________

From: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com on behalf of Danny Fortin
Sent: Wed 5/10/06 4:57 PM
To: TheNaturalisticVivarium (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [TheNaturalisticVivarium] Re: eastern water dragon


"I would much rather rely on someone experienced in
actually raising my choice of animal...than try to sift throug all the info
on the net....."

So would I! In fact, I would much rather rely on someone more experienced to do my laundry and make my bed...as well as file my income taxes and drive me to work.

Sadly, most people won't do these things for me. I have to actually do them myself. Now, like you said, it can all get confusing. So, after I actually make an effort to sift through information and acquire some basic info, I ask someone specific questions.

I hope you can see my analogy here. There's a difference between saying "tell me how to make my cage look natural," and saying "would you mind naming some hardy plants that would do well with a water dragon?"

By the way, Dawn and Sherry, you both seem so supportive of this "newbie," so I really don't understand why you haven't offered him any information. Why don't the two of you write him detailed e-mails explaining how to set up an vivarium? Heaven forbid he should have to "sift throug all the info on the net....."
Dawn Gaudreau <dgaudrea (AT) maine (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

Thank you Sherry.........I too thought that a remark made to a newcomer
should be welcoming....and kind...we were not all born into this world
knowing everything......we all had to start somewhere...and the net is also
very confusing....I would much rather rely on someone experienced in
actually raising my choice of animal...than try to sift throug all the info
on the net.....
Dawn