a_plutonium

If the Growing Solar System Theory is correct then long time ago 5-8
billion years ago Mars was the planet teaming with life and Earth had
no life. The Sun at that time was much smaller as were the planets.
Earth and Mars were satellites of some gas-giant in which the gas
giant was collided with the Sun and the satellites of Mercury, Venus,
Earth and Mars were spared but their gas-giant parents were swallowed
by the Sun. Like today with Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune all have
many satellites and these gas giants will either form a twin star to
the Sun or become swallowed by the Sun leaving Europa and other
satellites to become new Earths.

So, now, if say 6 billion years ago Mars was the optimal distance from
the Sun and not Earth then Mars would be teaming with life.

Now then, as billions of years lapsed and Mars became more distant
from the Sun yet Earth put into the *optimal orbit to sustain life*,
then the death of most species on Mars when it was team with life
would occur. But would all of the life have gone extinct as Mars moved
into its present orbit? I doubt it. And the lifeforms that would have
survived would be plants with root systems such as what we are now
observing on Mars.

If true and confirmed that the threadlike observations from the Mars
Rovers is plant material, then Mars is still abundant in life. Those
round nodules may have something to do with the threadlike objects.
Perhaps an onion like plant, or a bulb plant.

If all of this is true then it is only a matter of time for the Rovers
to find evidence of Coal.

Also, it is ironic that the proof that Mars has water is as simple as
the fact that the muddy topsoil sticks to the wheels of the Rover.

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

(www.iw.net/~a_plutonium) website of the science of AP under revision

alexander whiteside

There are a lot of "Ifs" in there.

In fact I'd say that your conjecture is mostly "Ifs".

No offense!

rudolph_x

Well, these threads you are talking about will be the topic of
discussion on www.coasttocoastam.com tonight. Linda Moulton Howe is the
guest for the first hour tonight. She's got a photo of the puzzling
filaments that were found on the Martian soil on the front page of her
website at: www.earthfiles.com

There is also a small article about the 'strange object' that was found
on Mars by the rover Opportunity there also.

It seems that everything folks talk about here in this newsgroup somehow
ends up being a topic of discussion on Coast To Coast AM. I get the
funny feeling that they monitor these newsgroups to get ideas for their
shows.

george

Smart old birds, Aren't we? :-))

a_plutonium

Yes, granted there are a lot of "ifs" but those ifs can work for you
and not against you. What I mean is that if you have a new theory,
then it provides various implications and predictions and you thence
have to follow that line or chain of reasoning from that new-theory.

Alexander, the old theory is the Nebular Dust Cloud which would never
have the planet Mars in the most favorable distance from the Sun and
would have Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars relatively the same distance
spacing for the past 5 billion years where the creation was exactly 5
billion years old.

New-theory of Growing Solar System has the creation about 10 billion
years old where the Sun and inner planets are about 10 billion years
old but Jupiter and the gas-giants are newcomers and only about 5
billion years old. The inner planest were satellites of long ago
swallowed up gas giants by the Sun and the satellites escaped the
swallowing. Thus, and therefore Mars would have been in the ideal
space distance away from the Sun and Earth would have been where Venus
is at present time. Mars would have been teaming with life and have
had oceans.

So, yes, there are a lot of "ifs" but those ifs are warranted from the
new theory. And it takes only parts and pieces of the new theory to be
correct to give validation to this new theory.

I say that because Mars may have only been in this favorable distance
from the old Sun for only a short period of time say perhaps 1 billion
years whereas Earth has been in this favorable distance from the new
Sun for over 3 billion years.

So, I do not know how long life can evolve on Mars at a favorable
distance and as it moves away from the Sun into its present day orbit,
how much of that teaming life can live without going extinct and what
the final form that life would take.

This brings up the interesting scientific question that if you take
EArth at present day time and were to move Earth into the orbit of
Mars over a time period of say 3 billion years, how much of the life
on Earth at present will go extinct and how much of it will still
manage to live?? Excellent question. Would the only life that survives
such a orbital trek that of say plant bulbs such as onions or tulips?
Are the small round objects found on Mars soil really some plant form
like onions? Are the threadlike material onion roots? Or some sort of
tulip roots?

I think if you take present day Earth and slowly moved it into Mars
orbit over a span of 3 billion years, that although most life on Earth
would go extinct, I believe that various plant forms would manage to
survive and eventually prosper.

I do not know if the Rover Robots on Mars can microscope onto whether
Mars has bacterial life? I am guessing that bacteria are essential in
order for plant life to exist on Mars at present.

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

(www.iw.net/~a_plutonium) website of the science of AP under revision
what used to be my old science website
http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/...udwigPlutonium from years 1993
to 2004

wtf

There were two fibres found at the Opportunity site
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...nity_m019.html
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news....tegory=Science

Explanations given are that the filament came from a broken airbag, or that there is a defect in the imaging, or there's static
electricty holding fine grains of sand together, and finally that the filaments are salt deposits left behind from brine seepage
in the soil (hope I got all the explanations right).

Now look at this recent photo from the Spitit site, we see other filaments

best photo:
http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gal...0P2943M2M1.JPG

all photos:
http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gal...irit_m046.html

The best looking filament is found in the upper right corner of the image. It is located just to the left of the rectangular rock.
It shares the same characteristics as the other filaments, wher it bends into an "L" shape. Parts of the filament appear to go
under the sand. You can see other filaments in the image if you look for them, and they all take on the same characteristics. They
look a lot like roots to me.

Perhaps there are good nonbiological explanations for these things, but they sure look to be biological in origin.

This is real weird.

rickt

I think it's an optical illusion. Take a look right where the "L"
bends. The feature actually continues straight down and around,
almost like a platelet. The other diagonal feature looks more like
an imaging artifact than anything else -- there are at least a half
dozen others running parallel to this line if you look closely.

Rick

buck-futter

Don't forget, the letters in "Archimedes Plutonium"
may (nay, must) be re-arranged to spell
"I pound his male rectum".

george

Damn. He's right. Don't that make us look like fools for ever responding
to the kook in the first place? But then, with an alias like Buck Futter,
one has to wonder...

At least they indicate original thinking, in an immature sort of way.

a_plutonium

So then, if you were to take present day Earth and slowly and
gradually move it off to a distance wherein it is at present day Mars
with a Martian orbit around the Sun, then the question remains as to
how much of Earth's abundance of life will go extinct and how much
would survive? Would it all go extinct. I doubt it because of the
tenacity of life and because it was such a slow and gradual process
taking at least a billion years and perhaps 3 to 5 billion years of
moving. So what sort of life forms would survive and then prosper on
Mars? I think plants more than animals would survive and things such
as bulbous type of plants that can store there energy. Sort of like a
cross between onions, tulips,
and cactus. Plants that can store energy to endure long and brutal
Martian seasons and years. Whether bacteria are essential for these
surviving plants I suspect so. And thus if some plants survived then
some bacteria survived also.

So that if we moved present day Earth into a Mars orbit over several
billion years of time, I suspect the end result would be some sort of
bulb plants and bacteria would have survived the move and the settling
into a Martian orbit.

With the Growing Solar System theory, the trouble I have if Mars is
found to have bulb like plant life, is that I do not know how long
Ancient Mars when it was in the favorable distance from the Sun some 8
to 5 billion years ago and where Earth was about in the orbit of
present day Venus. I do not know how long Mars held the favorable
distance from the Ancient Sun to have a planet copious with life-forms
such as present day Earth. If Ancient Mars held the favorable distance
for billions of years then present day Mars should have coal seams
because of that Ancient Mars distance created a lush and teaming life.
But if Ancient Mars held that favorable distance for only 1 billion
years say from about 6 billion years ago to 5 billion years ago, then
present day Mars may not have any coal layer seams because Ancient
Mars did not have the time to accumulate bio-organic carbon into coal.
And that present day Mars would only have bulbous plant life as
evidence that it was once filled with life.

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

(www.iw.net/~a_plutonium) website of the science of AP under revision
what used to be my old science website
http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/...udwigPlutonium from years 1993
to 2004