radium

Hi:

Positive lightning consists of the movement of positive ions. Its
voltage and amperage are considerably higher than that of negative
lightning. As a result, positive lightning is more dangerous -- both to
living and non-living entities-- than negative lightning. Negative
lightning consists simply of free-electrons moving from negative to
positive region.

My question is, what are the chemicals that positively charged in the
positive lighting? Are they are H+ ions? What other positively charged
chemicals make up positive lightning?


Regards,

Radium

tim williams

Electrons are a thousand times lighter than even the lightest ion (H+), so
carry 99.9% of the electric current, NO MATTER THE DIRECTION.

A positive charge is merely an absence of negative charge.

So go ahead and read a damn book, this is in any physics text dealing with
electricity.

Tim

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radium

So, IOW, the absence of an electron. Thats a bit confusing.

radium

In positive lightning, positive charges take the place of electrons.
What are these positive charges? You say they are "absence of negative
charges". I am stumped here.

chris

Hi again, radium. In any matter with no net charge, positive charge
and negative charge balance out. If there's more electrons than
protons, there's a net negative charge. If there are fewer electrons
than protons, you have a net positive charge.

Again, this is sci.*.*. It's kind of assumed you'll make an effort
here.

If the charge business is still confusing, most eighth grade science
textbooks will have a good basic explanation in the electicity section
-- it's usually toward the back of the book.

Cheers
Chris

john fields

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You forgot about neutral lightning, which is the most dangerous of
all and has been implicated in SHC. ---


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Burned air.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

john fields

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Perhaps this will clear it up for you:

So these two Cesium atoms are walking down the street. Says the
first Cesium atom, "Oh my god! I think I'm missing an electron".
Says the second, "are you sure?" Says the first, "I'm positive".


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

john oflaherty

Positive lightning is when the cloud is positive with respect to
ground, where negative or ordinary lightning has the cloud negative wrt
ground. So in both cases, there are a positive and negative side, and
the charge movement is still in the form of electrons. The streamers
that initiate the strike, which I take it are lines of ionized air
reaching for the opposite polarity, will be negative or positive at
cloud and ground depending on the type of lightning. A positive
streamer probably consists of ionized air that has a deficiency of
electrons, because the electrons were ****ed away by the electric
field. There would have to be positive ions in that streamer, but they
wouldn't move very much, because their mass is thousands of times
greater than that of electrons (1800 for a single proton; so for an
oxygen atom, for example, 30,000 times greater). With an electric
field, and an electron with one negative charge and an atom with one
positive charge that is 30,000 times heavier, the movement will be
similarly divided.
The answer to what is in the positively charge streamer is just
whatever atoms make up air, but ionized by the loss of electrons. But
the positive ions don't move much and the charge transfer is by
electrons.

I googled an interesting article about positive and bipolar lightning:

http://tinyurl.com/nmmcc

--
John

radium

Thanks for clearing my confusion.

jasen

Positive ions are atoms (or groups of atoms) with too-few electrons to
balance the charge of the protons in the nucleus.

the air is roughly 4/5 nitrogen so expect a high proportion of nitrogen ions.


This isn't something you read on keeleynet is it?
Those guys do an immitation of science.

Bye.
Jasen