On Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 11:56pm (CST+6). a cave dweller posted illogically
again.
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sun dried brick, since they had no local stone. They are all the same
style as the earlier stepped pyramid and platforms of Zoser in Egypt. It
is my understanding that Zoser's people used cast limestone (concrete)
bricks. ++
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He, now: ~~ You mean Djoser, (2687 - 2668 BC), right? And for some
reason the Egyptians brought a form of architecture they hadn't used for
about 1500 -1700 years? Pull the other one, Larry.
And I wonder just how like in style they really are:
http://www.egyptvoyager.com/pyramids...ara_djoser.htm
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+++ Different authors use different spellings for Zoser. The Zoser
type structures were no doubt still available to the Egyptians ca. 1200
BC.
- Not having the materials to build later type Egyptian structures,
they used their best knowledge to build what they could with the
materials at hand.
- Note that nobody has proposed any alternative to the fact that the
Egyptians were in the Olmec country at that time. +++
Regards, Larry Athy, P.E.

Hello caveman! Note the following:
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Pyramid of Zoser
Digital Imaging Project: Art historical images of architecture and
sculpture from Prehistoric to Post-modern art. Scanned from slides taken
on site by Mary Ann Sullivan, Bluffton College.
http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/e...ser/zoser.html
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Zoser's Necropolis - Imhotep - Great Buildings Online
Zoser's Necropolis by Imhotep architect, at Egypt, -2760, in the Great
Buildings Online.
http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildi...ecropolis.html
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Zoser's step Pyramid
We don't know much about king Zoser, but we know that his father and
predecessor was king Khasekhemwy, whose reign was remarkable for the use
of stone in building, and due to the manufacture of many stone vases.
http://library.thinkquest.org/C0121761/14.htm
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Regards, Larry Athy, P.E.

Yes, I was just using my preferred spelling and pointing out the dates. The Zoser


Not having the materials? But you've told us your alleged Egyptians brought
long distance stone moving techniques! Anyway, as you've already said,
wrongly again, "It is my understanding that Zoser's people used cast
limestone (concrete) bricks."

The Egyptians used small limestone blocks. Not bricks. The La Venta stepped
pyramid isn't built of those also, nor is it that similar. So why, since
the Egyptians couldn't use the materials used for Djoser's pyramid, would:

Instead of something contempory, which wouldn't have been a pyramid anyway.

Of course they have. The alternative to your fairytale is that they weren't
there, that the Olmec culture which developed over centuries is indigenous.

Doug

I have similar pictures, but thank you anyway. I look forward to your
evidence for the wall and associated structures at La Venta. Or perhaps
this is your version of an apology and you are providing evidence for your
error.

There is nothing special about stepped pyramids in any case. Like the
rectangular pyramid, its existence in any part of the world does not
require Egyptians.

Doug

What?

Not even in Egypt?

Aliens perhaps? :-)

Eric Stevens

Ouch. Ok, anywhere outside of Egypt.

Doug

Eric,

No, it was clearly Olmecs. They'd been sent to find out how
to make ziggurats, but took a right turn at Crete and wound up
in Egypt. The Egyptians hadn't started to build big stone
piles yet, so the Olmecs started fiddling around, and over the
centuries they developed the mastaba, then the stacked
mastaba, then the stepped pyramid. This would have been
enough to fulfil their assignment, but by now, the
Olmec/Egyptians had the bit in their teeth, and they spent
another century learning to build true pyramids.

Then they took the long way home, and, in the 1500 years it
took to get back to Mexico (along the way having adventures
that became the Odessey--only, of course, no one would believe
a 1500-year journey, so the Greek storytellers had to shave it
down to a measly decade or two) and, by the time they got back
to Mexico, had forgotten why they went, so built other stuff,
and then remembered some stuff, but a little sideways, and
through the eyes of their ancient culture, so the pyramids
were built differently from the Egyptian ones, but still high
piles of stone.

Doesn't that seem more likely?

Tom McDonald
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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 9:31am (CST+6), a cave dweller posted here more of
his uninformed foolishness.
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Venta. Or perhaps this is your version of an apology and you are
providing evidence for your error.
There is nothing special about stepped pyramids in any case. Like the
rectangular pyramid, its existence in any part of the world does not
require Egyptians. ~~
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+++ Full detailed information on the structures at La Venta can be found
in most archy books on La Venta.
- The fact that there are other stepped pyramids in other parts of the
world is immaterial to our discussions. There is much evidence that the
Egyptians were the first foreigners in La Venta, even though there is
evidence that the Chinese were there later. +++
Regards, Larry Athy, P.E.