tim b

Dennis Eckersley and Paul Molitor were voted for induction into the Hall of
Fame this afternoon. Results of the former Tigers on the ballot are as
follows: Jack Morris 133 votes (26.3%), Alan Trammell 70 (13.8%), Juan
Samuel 2, Cecil Fielder 1. 380 votes were necessary to qualify for
induction, 26 votes were necessary to stay on the ballot.

georgek

I think it ****s that their day was marred by the Pete Rose
controversy. And after 14 years he doesn't apologize, but just
acknowledges that he won't continue with the big lie. No contrition.
He is one sorry figure that I wouldn't mind not seeing in the Hall's
hallowed walls.

john poutre

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And he still lied. Said in all this he never placed bets while in the
clubhouse but it's been said he did quite a bit. I wish the media would
just ignore it and he would go away. Rose did this himself, no need to feel
bad for him.

casimir

I've got an idea. Just put Rose's plaque up, no ceremonies, no fan-fare,
nothing. Because of his inability to own up to his misdeeds for OVER 14 years,
he's banned from all MLB activities, bar none. Sorry, Pete. Maybe next time
you'll tell the truth.


Casimir

tim b

Sounds like a good idea. I think Rose does deserve to be in the HOF because
his on the field achievements. I don't think he should be allowed to be
involved in any other baseball related activities.

years,

time

doug

What slays me is he said he didn't bet on the Reds, and didn't use any
inside knowledge when making bets. After 14 years of lying, why would we
believe anything he says now. I don't.


Doug

all the news

You've got a good point there. He's established himself as
a serial liar for a decade and a half. Now we should believe
him on this?

Chris

yep

I think he still deserves to be in the HOF someday as long as he isn't
allowed to manage a team again.

tim b

I agree... reinstate his eligibility for the HOF because he is MLB's
all-time hits leader. As far as any other activities, the ban is upheld.

skippypb

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:28:29 -0500, "Yep" <ELZ@TOOL.com> enlightened
us:


Here's my take on Pete Rose:

1) Gambling while an active MLB player is one of the greatest sins
you can commit against baseball (short of shooting your manager or a
fellow player during a gameor throwing a game). Rose was guilty of
that.

2) Rose agreed to a life time ban rather than admit what he did.

3) He most probably bet on his own team while still a player and/or
manager and thus was in a position to effect the outcome of the game
to a certain extent.

He does not derseve to be reinstated in MLB (unless all players banned
for life from MLB for gambling are also reinstated); he does not
deserve to go into the HOF unless Shoeless Jackson is also allowed to
go in.

Jackson was one of the Black Sox scandal and was banned for life from
MLB. But Shoeless Joe Jackson was aquitted of all charges yet he
remains banned. Jackson, unlike Rose, had his day in court.

Buck Weaver is another one who was unjustly banned for life from
baseball and should be reinstated before Rose. Weaver was one of the
best defensive third ba***** to play the game--the only guy Ty Cobb
said he would never bunt against. Buck was banned from organized
baseball in 1921 for his alleged involvement in the fixing of the 1919
World Series. Buck was banned not for participating in the fix, which
by his statistics and play in the 1919 Series, points to the exact
opposite, that he did not participate in the fix. But was banned for
his guilty knowledge about the fix and his failure to tell team
officials. An offense not worthy of banishment past life, which Buck
received without a hearing before then Commissioner of Baseball Judge
Kenesaw Mountain Landis. Buck tried several times throughout his life
to clear his name and to be reinstated into baseball, he died never to
see that come to pass.

There are a few others that deserve to be reinstated even if they have
already passed on. Rose, IMO, should never be reinstated.

I do like the idea of a plaque in the HOF stating Rose's statistics
and the fact that he is banned for life for betting on baseball while
an active participant.

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