phil

Okay, I know lots of people are pissed about Franco, but hasn't he
always had a good reputation as a team player? Does this sound like the
truth, or is it just Bobby V. spinning things, knowing and resenting
Franco's influence on the front office?

lawrence lewis

If you've followed Valentine's career you know that he rarely tells the
truth and that when he does it's for a dishonest reason. This is the man who
has undermined everyone he has ever worked for---ask Davey Johnson. Ask
Steve Phillips. This is the man who took credit for the Mo Vaughn signing in
February of 2002 only to blame Phillips when it didn't work out. This is
the man who was quoted to the effect that five of his players were losers.
This is the man who deliberately stoked the fires of the the Piazza rumors.
This is the man who is responsible for the presence of Roger Cedeno.

wjdwyer_1

Well, myself being a Valentine backer...I did like him as a
manager...BUT it's not like you can believe everything out of his
mouth...he has had the tendancy to lie...a lot. As I am sure he also
didn't help Benitez.

But hey...Benitez is the Yankees problem now...if he does well...if he
blows games...who cares. Benitez hasn't helped the Mets in
YEARS...good riddance.

Mr. Killfile
"I would have accepted a can of bitter beer and a stale chip for
Ordonez. The fact that Phillips got 2 actual minor leaguers that can
breathe and everything amazes me."
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dr4sightnospam

Yeah. He even told President Bush that Iraq had WMD.

Larry Smith

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"I only wear my glasses for two things:
To drive my car and to find it."
Woody Allen

phil

Ah. So you're saying Valentine provided Bush with additional input that
was radically different from the truth, and assisted in furthering that
version (pronouns slightly modified from Ollie North quote).

Seriously, though, it seems as though it's pretty hard to be a manager
of a ball club without the occasional professional white lie. How, for
example, could Joe Torre have waffled on the Clemens question without
doing so? You can see it as simply wrong, or as a necessary evil, or
even as simply justifiable behavior and not, under the cir***stances,
wrong.

I guess the question I was asking was, since Valentine is not managing
a baseball team, is there any reason to think he's lying? I mean, since
Franco has got to be feeling threatened by just about any relief
pitcher on the Mets at this point, if he _did_ do to Benitez what
Valentine seems to be claiming, could he still be doing it? Stress on
the "if"; I'm not accusing him of anything.

But it would ****, if, after having gotten rid of some _major_
clubhouse cancers in the past year, we overlooked a big one because
he's such a nice guy ;-).

Phil