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1 18th August 07:07
ngilman
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Hello,

I'm searching for some early references to fully electronic paintball
guns. I really don't know the sport so I've come to the experts.

Here's what I'm looking for and I'm more than willing to reward any of
you experts that can help me and if any of you produce the reference
I'm looking for, I'll be happy to send a $100 reward.

This question relates (specifically) to paintball gun technology and
(generally) to pneumatically launched projectiles. I'm looking for a
description of a paintball gun where all of the following are
discussed:


1) A chamber which is "charged" or filled electronically (not by
pumping) to preasure prior to firing of the gun.


2) Electrically releasing the gas from the above chamber, thus firing
the projectile. Again, electrically not mechanically.


3) Electrically loading a projectile into a chamber. Again not
mechanically but electrically.


4) The description or reference you find must have been published or
printed or disclosed prior to January 16, 1996.


You get the idea, not a mechanical or pump action paintball gun, but
one that is fully and electrically automated.

If you can help, great. If you have questions, post or email me and
I'll get back to you quick. Thanks in advance!
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2 25th August 18:41
space cadet
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On 19 Aug 2003 17:41:49 -0700, ngilman@gilmanresearch.com (Norm)

LOL!...I got a question for you....Who EXACTLY do you work for? Smart
Parts or Indian Creek?

SC
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3 25th August 18:41
michael hughes
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i dont think such an animal exists.

but its a nice ploy into having someone do the research for your patent.

just be sure Smart Parts doesnt beat you to it because it involves something
electrical.

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4 25th August 18:41
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5 25th August 18:41
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6 25th August 18:42
ngilman
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Congratulations on the detective work. All that said, does it sound
like an electronic gun was available before 1996? I'm willing to learn
and why shouldn't you, the experts in the area, get paid if you have
the information I need.

Thanks,
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7 25th August 18:42
chris phillipo
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No mechanical parts? Planing on using force fields?
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8 26th August 04:01
jrgusenet
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ngilman@gilmanresearch.com (Norm) made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:


Didn't the Navy have one back in the 70s? That came up when we were
discussing the Smart Parts lawsuit. Which, based on your website, it sounds
like you are involved in as a researcher.

Are you on the defense or prosecution team?

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9 29th August 09:19
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10 16th September 09:53
jose i. sanchez
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Every time I look at this post I get pissed off about Smart Parts so here is
an example from the 50's.

http://haveblue.org/tech/patents/US002845055.pdf

Electromechanically operated pneumatic air rifle. With an electronically
controlled feed system using low pressure air.


Here is an example of an electrically fired, solenoid operated airgun with a
positive feed system and electronic anti-chop eye.
http://haveblue.org/tech/patents/US003695246.pdf


AT BEST SP can claim some kind of patent on using a dual solenoid system
with pre-charged chamber (a-la spool valve), but...

Look up the Sweeney gun which is a dual solenoid operated electronically
controlled airgun.


Here is a link to a modern variant of the Sweeney gun.
http://www.sweeney-special-effects.com/Sweeney_Gun_Capsule_Launcher/sweeney_gun_capsule_launcher.html


SP cannot claim a sheridan valve based system, they cannot claim a single
solenoid based system, they cannot claim anti-chop electronics and they
cannot claim on/off switches because of prior art airguns on all the above
mentioned items. SP makes half assed products and I hope that in the
aftermath of this whole attempt at power grabbing within the industry, their
sales drop and their business fails.

Matter of fact. As I understand it SP was DENIED patent for "their" Shocker
3 times because they mentioned prior art in the application. Then on the
4th try, they omitted mention of the prior art and obtained their patent.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

One weakness I also notice in your question is that the Shocker DOES NOT
electrically load the paint. It uses an electrical valve to operate a
MECHANICAL feed system. Regardless of what SP thinks, using a bolt to push
in the paint is a mechanical feed system. If they put a solenoid that
directly actuated the bolt (not via pneumatics) I might say that is an
electrical feed system. Also, the Impulse has NO feed system at all and
just lets paint fall in by gravity.


Now...do I get my $100?


Jose
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