Dl 2012-02-08 09:33:18
5-4 Dodgers in the 8th, 2 out, Quantrill has put two men on, facing Wil
….is this not a good time to bring in the best closer in the game for a
(Given the bullpen’s record of rarely blowing leads after 7 innings, I
can’t fault Tracy too much for sticking with Quantrill, but still…)
Always be excellent.
Agua girl 2012-02-08 09:33:23
Hindsight. If they had used Gagne and he gave up runs we would be
wondering why they pulled a pitcher with a 1.43 era. Everyone in the
bullpen just about is capable of closing out a game. This was just one
of those games that the pitching wasn’t as sharp….it happens.
Hey, at least they are scoring runs! 🙂
Cm 2012-02-08 20:56:17
He should have pulled Quantrill because Cordero kills him.when I heard how
good he hits Quantrill I said to myself you better put Gagne in.I was right.
Po 2012-02-08 20:56:26
given that cordero was something on the order of 11-19 against
quantrill, i would not have asked a single question about tracy
my question is why the h*** he let him face cordero, in that
situation. two outs and *nobody* on, ok, maybe you let him have a
shot, but *not* with runners in scoring position
Po 2012-02-08 20:56:39
Rwgibson13 2012-02-08 20:56:41
RWG (EXTREMELY small sample size 🙂
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Tells me lies I love to believe
Her age is always twenty-two
Her laughing eyes a hazel hue
Spends my money like water falls
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Agua girl 2012-02-08 20:56:44
I just figure Paul is pitching really well this year. You wouldn’t dig out
lifetime numbers against Gagne and make a decision about pulling him. I
Paul hasn’t made quite the same turn around but he is still pitching pretty
good. What was Cordero’s numbers against him this year? Stats against are
important..but not chisled in stone and certainly not for guys that you
face that many times in a year.
Po 2012-02-08 20:56:59
quantrill is not gagne.
granted it was only 20 at bats, but a .600 average against a pitcher,
late in the game, with a runner in scoring position, i’d think a
change to gagne would be in order.
all mental masturbation of course, since the change wasn’t made, the
hitter did live up to his rep against qunatrill and knock in the go
ahead, and eventual winning runs.
Po 2012-02-08 20:57:01
perhaps so, but 20 at bats against a particular pitcher is significant
enough to pay attention to, imo, given the game situation
Ima pseudonym 2012-02-08 20:57:05
Of course, if small sample sizes are used, there’s also 0-7.
That’s what Cordero was at as a pinch hitter this season prior to that
Drpimpdadi 2012-02-08 20:57:10
Pinch hitting usually means he was batting in the 9th against the best relief
pitchers. Q-tip ain’t one of them. Gagne should’ve been brought it and you know
U.S.A. “Go West Young Men…”
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Agua girl 2012-02-08 20:57:14
Right… I said that. But Paul is pitching better this year than in previous years.
Again…I grant that except those 20 AB weren’t recent. The BA
against means a lot more when it’s a team within your divisioin
because you see them so often. That was the point I was trying
to make…apparently not very well.
True…but again..hindsight. If he had made the change and Gagne
had blown it then we could debate Managers using old stats and
small sample sizes to make stupid pitching moves. Aint it grand 🙂
Agua girl 2012-02-08 20:57:16
See…even Ima agree’s. Size matters!
Po 2012-02-13 05:56:28
of course, but one would suspect that those 7 at bats were not all
against pitchers he was hitting .600 against
i say quantrill should not have been pitching to him , in *that*
situation. nobody on..fine, but not with a runner in scoring position
ymmv, as does aqua girls
Po 2012-02-13 05:56:30
perhaps so, but given the situation, and playoff chase, i’d say erring
on the side of prudence would have been a wiser course of action.
they might still have lost the game, we’ll never know, but we *do*
know quantrill gave up the lead and eventual winning runs.
we do know that gagne is *the* man in the bullpen, the guy who is
supposed to shut the oppostion down and *save* games.
here was a chance to get a save, tracy opted not to take it, and the game was lost.
well at least in the case of masturbation, mental or otherwise, size
*doesn’t* matter 🙂
Ima pseudonym 2012-02-13 05:56:35
Well, 7 at bats isn’t significant anyway. But 20 isn’t much more
significant, especially when the 20 at bats are spread over a period
The problem is, that if Tracy uses such small samples to decide his
moves, rather than trusting his quality performers to do their job,
then over the course of a season he will end up making many more
“stupid” moves than leaving Quantrill in and having it backfire. Any
move a manager makes can backfire at times – having a good process for
deciding what moves to make and when is what I want in a manager. Not
that I agree with all of his decision making processes – not even
remotely. But I can understand, and agree with the reasoning, for
leaving Quantrill in in that situation. He has been one of the best
relievers in the league this season, after all.
Mike de leon 2012-02-13 05:57:09
True but Gagne is the BP ace, that was the time to use him. Quantril
wasn’t at the top of his game and, at least to me, that was pretty
obvious so why not bring in the ace to shut them down? Granted Eric
might have given up a run or 2 and lost the game but who would you
rather have on the mound in that situation.
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