Bryce fountain 2012-08-14 17:30:05
Hahahaha… what a load of crappy c*** c*** c***
Goodenow’s stand is “that the current system that allows teams to pay
whatever they decide a player’s contribution is worth is the most fair
approach. The league has never been as competitive, basically, in its
history as it has been recently under the current agreement. It’s certainly
provided for great competition and balance on the ice.”
Dennis prouse 2012-08-14 17:30:14
If Bob was spinning any harder, he would strike oil. It is unfortunate that
we are still in the “PR war” stage of this thing, rather than having the two
sides doing some meaningful bargaining…
Laffy larry 2012-08-14 23:09:48
i agree fully with his assesment that the system in place is perfect. if
the owners used it to their advantage, they would benefit, but they dont.
how is that the players fault ? ll
Bob 2012-08-14 23:09:52
only because the big money crapped out in the playoffs this year…
what a goof… regular season games win loss ratio must be slanted
towards higher payroll sinse the last agreement. rangers are obviously
a strange thing… playoff success must be skewed really obviously as
well… was someone actually interviewing him? why weren’t good hard
follow up questions asked? interviewing has become useless… b*****
Jkorsrud 2012-08-14 23:10:03
”The league has never been more competitive.” (??!!) That’s why every
year, year after year, the Cup faves are ALWAYS Detriot, Dallas,
Colorado, St.L., and New Jersey. Credit to NJ for being the only team
that doesn’t go nutso with salaries every year. There has never been
so little parity. To win in this league you have to outspend other
teams or play a game-killing, mind-numbing trap like Anahiem or
Minnisota. No thanks. Double kudos to Burke for developping from
within and from trading AND playing a wide open, exciting brand of
Foamy 2012-08-14 23:10:06
In article <61KWa.613415$Vi5.firstname.lastname@example.org Nobody's saying it's the players fault for being greedy little pigs and trying to get every last dime they can, It's the system which is broken. Some owners _are_ using to it to their advantage, spending like drunken sailors. Unfortunately that's only a half dozen owners who can do that, while the rest go down the financial toilet. The problem is you have ' have ' and ' have not ' teams all fighting for a player base whose salaries are set by the ' haves '. Jim
Foamy 2012-08-14 23:10:26
In article <4wUWa.590893$3C2.email@example.com What you apparently aren't understanding, is the contracts of ALL players are affected by the top salaries. Do you think Burke wants to pay a guy like Rutuu 600K for sitting in the pressbox ? Salaries are dictated to the GM's under many instances such as 1st round picks, arbitration, and qualifying etc. The top contracts drag all contracts upward. Burke is a perfect example of a guy who has no choice. If you're happy with the Canucks, I'm sincerely happy for you, I wish I was. But I'm not, I want a team we used to have. A team where the smarts of the management dictated the results, not money. A team a player or so away from a legitimate shot to go all the way which can fill that [ those ] spots at the deadline without having to check their purse. I see no reason to be optimistic about the team's success unless some money is spent. Jim
Feeniks 2012-08-14 23:10:28
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Doug patton 2012-08-17 19:42:24
It is a fairly valid point when teams like Ottawa, Vancouver and Anaheim are
faring better than the likes of New York, Philly, Dallas, etc. with half the
Laffy larry 2012-08-17 19:42:58
i fail to see your point ??? ll
Laffy larry 2012-08-17 19:43:04
no they are not. if burke decides that Bertuzzi wont make a dime more than
4m, what choice does Bertuzzi have ?
Do you think Burke wants to pay a guy like Rutuu
then why did he give it to him ? he could have not agreed to that contract
and Ruutu would have what choice ?
?Salaries are dictated to the GM’s under
this is true, but only if someone is willing to pay it. and as long as a GM
is willing to pay Ruutu 600k, why should Ruutu agree to limit his right ?
are you baiting me to bait you ? sneeky !!!
A team where the smarts of the management dictated
hey, could be worse, could be a Rangers fan.
Bryce fountain 2012-08-17 19:43:07
Bertuzzi would file for arbitration and be awarded a salary much
higher than 4 million. Burke could then either accept the arbitrator’s
salary, or walk away and lose Bertuzzi’s rights.
Same situation as above… i’m not sure what contract the arbitrators
would award Ruutu, but I bet it would be higher than Burke wants to pay.
The average salary DOES drive up bargaining power… because, like I
said above, GMs now have to worry about arbitration, and lots of
players now filing for it. Look at this list –
I agree with Jim that it’s hard to be optimistic if the Canucks aren’t
willing to pay some money. Teams can only go so far from developing
within before they have to start spending some money, be it bringing
in larger salaries for players, or even resigning your own players
when they get better. I realize this season a lot of big payroll teams
got knocked out, but that was an abirition as far as I’m concerned.
Statistically, I’m quite sure there’s a correlation between payroll
Foamy 2012-08-17 19:43:13
Laffy larry 2012-08-17 19:43:19
ok, well thats a function of the CBA. players dont always file for arbitration though. and if BB doesnt want to pay Bertuzzi the money, he can walk away from it. ok and if bertuzzi wins the arbitration, how do players with no arbitration rights gain from it if the GM doesnt give him a *penny* more than he wants too. ll
Ajh 2012-08-17 19:43:23
come on Jim…. db is a battleship and you are a canoe….
Manic 2012-08-17 19:43:30
What? db sunk Jim’s canoe with his battleship? (sudb)
Foamy 2012-08-17 19:44:27
What a yoke ! Listen up Mr. ajh [ if that’s your real name ]. I understand you
are the agent for Mr. db [ geez, you guys too cheap to spring for some caps
or vowels ? ].
The man is slow and has no mobility whatsoever. I can paddle circles around
him. You ever see him go into the corner ? I thought not. He’d never make it
back on D. He’s a floater. Sure, I’ll admit he has a gun for a shot, but what
good does it do him ? Who in their right mind would screen the goalie having
to look down that barrel. It takes him half the season to work the rust off
while I hit the beach running right from game 1.
Nope, I think I’ll do very well in our boatration.
Foamy 2012-08-25 04:48:04
As witnessed by today’s arbitrtation ruling where Demitra was
awarded 6.5 mill !
Yiddish50 2012-09-15 19:58:32
Absolutely. Hear hear, Jim.
I remember the time where trades were ‘won’ and ‘lost’, and the
‘smart’ managers assembled strong teams. Every location had an
opportunity to be a success through shrewd trades and strong coaching.
Now, a team can give up a player for nothing and be considered the
winner in a trade because of a salary dump. As for the Canucks, I’d
rather have a team that royally sucked half the time, and had a
legitimate shot at the cup the other half. Instead, I fear the
Canucks are going to get caught in the swirling eddy of mediocrity –
always competitive, but never cup-worthy.
I don’t blame the players for getting what they can, but, as Jim
points out, when the ‘have’ teams raise the average salary, everything
I just want a cup, one cup before i die. without having to cheer for
the lakers, the avelanche or the yankees.
Foamy 2012-09-20 11:39:44