Rich powell 2012-08-05 07:51:01
Unfortunately, he lived down to my very low expectations for him. He and
Witasik just cannot pitch in close games.
I also question trying a hit and run on a 3-2 pitch to Lorreta with runners
on 1st and 2nd against a strikeout pitcher that he does not hit at all.
That also backfired. Too bad – it wasted a great game from Wells.
K2 2012-08-05 07:51:06
I was screaming at my TV “No! Not Osuna! Get Linebrink or Otsuka out there!”
If my neighbors didn’t already think I was crazy (and the smart money is on
“yes, they do”…), that probably clinched it.
The Padres “littleballed” their way right out of that inning.
Taking the bat out of their best hitter-for-average (Burroughs) with two
feeble bunt attempts, forcing him to take a defensive swing and fly out was
bad enough. Risking the strikeout/throwout DP with two on and Giles on deck
just compounded the error. Fenway is one of those parks where you should
always play for the big inning.
Two on, nobody out, and your three best hitters coming up is a situation
that screams “Just let ’em hit!”
Talondorsd 2012-08-05 07:51:16
I don’t think it was a hit and run. From the way they showed Piccilo talking
to Robinson, I believe Robinson missed a sign.
K2 2012-08-05 07:51:19
Then Greene missed the sign too…
Because both runners were moving on the pitch.
Rich powell 2012-08-05 07:51:21
And they missed it the pitch before that when the ball was hit foul…
Talondorsd 2012-08-05 07:51:23
Even if it wasn’t a missed sign, what was wrong with the call? You have one of
the fastest guys in baseball on second, probably your best bat-handlers at the
plate, and it was a 0-0 tie that looks like it might stay that way for the rest
of the night. Why not try and create something against someone who was
practically unhittable? You may not get the same opportunity again the rest of
K2 2012-08-05 07:51:28
I have a lot less problem with the failed hit-and-run than I did with having
Burroughs try to bunt.
Christ… the guy’s got the best BA on the team, and has been the best of
our hitters with runners in scoring position. Give him a decent chance to
make solid contact and drive the runs in the old-fashioned way! But instead
the bunts (which he’s never shown himself to be particularly good at) dug
him into a hole and he couldn’t be as agressive as you’d like in a potential
RBI situation, and didn’t have the luxury of being patient and looking for a
good pitch to drive… he had to take a crack at the first thing than was
close enough to be a strike.
The hit-and-run was put on to try and stay out of a DP (a legitimate
consideration) with a good contact hitter at the plate. It was just
frustrating to have what started as a promising inning die before Giles got
One problem with the hit-and-run is that the batter is *compelled* to
swing… it may be a crappy pitch over his head or in the dirt, but he’s got
to take a hack at it to protect the runners. Why not just let your best
hitters use their judgement (which has generally been good) and take their
hacks at a hitter’s pitch instead of whatever comes up.
Vinay 2012-08-05 07:51:41
I can underestand not going to either of those two relatively early in
a tie game. But at the least, Beck should’ve been out there.
Yup. Matty and Mud continued their PR campaign for Bochy, saying it
must’ve been a missed sign (as pointed out earlier in this thread,
Greene was running too). Even if it was Robinson’s fault, there was
no reason for him to stop running. And it’s Bochy’s fault for having
that scrub Robinson in the game. Robinson is an embarassment.
I’ve long been pretty neutral regarding Bochy, often defending him.
That’s over. Bochy must go. He’s just gotten completely awful
Seapig 2012-08-05 07:51:49
According to today’s UT, Burroughs was bunting on his own on the 1-0
pitch. Bochy called for the second bunt. Whoever’s idea it was, I
agree it was a bad idea.
The play we’re talking about wasn’t a hit-and-run. The count was
full; Loretta was under no obligation to swing at a bad pitch.
Rich powell 2012-08-05 07:51:54
Because Loretta was batting less than .200 against a strikeout pitcher.
Because we had our best hitter coming up next. What’s worse is that the
play at 3rd wasn’t even close.
K2 2012-08-05 07:52:05
Then you’re saying it was a straight double steal?
If that was the case, then they should have gotten a better jump and
Robinson would have been going into 3rd harder. I still think it was a
screwed up hit and run.
There was only 1 out, so the runners aren’t going to be running on their
own… they were sent, whether as a straight steal with Loretta left to his
own judgement, or it was a hit and run.
Seapig 2012-08-05 07:52:08
No, I’m saying that Bochy started the runners because it was a full
count – what’s sometimes called a “run and hit.” On a hit and run, as
you described, the hitter is supposed to swing at anything to protect
the runner. Loretta didn’t have to swing at anything out of the
strike zone, because the runners would not have been in jeopardy on ball four.
Those aren’t the only possibilities. In fact a hit and run isn’t
really a possibility, because it would be crazy to ask Loretta to
swing at anything in that spot.
Seapig 2012-08-05 07:52:10
How much history did Loretta have with Martinez? Loretta came into
the NL at the same time Martinez was leaving it, so I doubt that he’s
had enough AB’s against him for that average to mean anything.