todd a. anderson

I have two main hobbies at the moment, bridge and table tennis.
On rec.games.bridge, online bridge sites, and in real life , there is
generally a free flow of ideas and the better players are willing to
help those less talented to improve.

However, here in RSTT there seems to be nothing but bickering
and trolling. Likewise, in real life, people don't seem to want to
help each other improve to try to maintain an advantage.

Are there any other very intermediate players like me here who
could use advice from the good players? Are there any good
players who would give away some secrets?

For example, do most pros or good amateurs try to flip short
serves whenever possible? From the few TT videos I have,
it doesn't look like the pros do a lot of flipping but instead push
back short serves. Is this true and if so, why aren't the pros
flipping? Are the pro serves too difficult to flip?

ttroman

Unfortunately, in tabletennis there are 3 three main types of players
who nearly constitute the entire playing population :-

1. retroRetards who hate tactical players (AKA spineless cowards)
2. robotNazis, who hate the tactical players as well & they can only
win by limiting their opponents' equipment, while enhancing their
own beyond criminal limits
2. Spineless cowards who have no self-esteem & suffer from abused
wife syndrome

At present , ITTF & IOC wants to pretend like there is no problem.
This denial is a very serious issue & until, ITTF faces upto the problem
tabletennis will continue to self-destruct itself.

Please read the FAQs very carefully & objectively.
You will understand how ****ed up table-tennis is.

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cool_night1

Hi Todd,

Yes, there are quite a lot of amateur and even top players that surf
the "old internet" and usenet groups. Of course,
rec.sport.table-tennis was originally set up as an unmoderated group
so that everyone could share their ideas, without the need of
moderation (aka censorship/editing). One consideration would be to
form a parallel newsgroup such as "rec.sport.table-tennis.moderated".
That would require some patience and effort for make a request for
discussion, and call for votes - which basically only takes 2-3
months. One person would be set up as a vote-taker, which can be quite
a busy job. And then the moderator/moderators would have to be chosen,
which would be a significant commitment that I'm not sure anyone is
willing to take.

On the other hand - on the subject of flipping back short serves.

IMHO:
I think that flipping is a very good technique when you develop it. It
becomes a very effective weapon if you can have a flip, short push,
and long push triple threat. I think many pro's go ahead a push back
serves becuase they are not afraid of the third ball attack these
days. The pros can push back long, and if spinny and placed well
enough - the third ball loop opening attack - if it isn't a very
powerful finishing shot, can be counterlooped. I think it's all a
balance between risk and reward. If you can't handle the big third
opening shot - then flip or push short! If you can handle it, why not
counterloop? Frankly, most of us amatuers don't have the footwork to
counterloop the opening 3rd ball, thats why we have a higher
percentage of other options of serve return.

Alex
ajchien

trackermike

More like it would take some monumental stupidity & waste of effort.

Are you living in some parallel universe ?
Haven't you noticed what is being done to other secret forums ?

All the posts are being answered here.
How hard it would be to hit reply and simply remove the "moderated"

As I said, starting May 2004, all information (posting,
articles etc etc) about TT will be here in RSTT to minimize the traffic
for all other websites.

Tabletennis will be killed dead.


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michael

I have only just started reading this table tennis news.
I agree with you, I expected it to be a lot better, have better discussions,
topics etc. I have been playing for 38 years and was hoping to be able to
add my voice to topics. But find it very difficult to find anything
interesting enough to reply to. I wish there was a site for real table
tennis enthusiasts, so we can discuss proper topics of interest.
Michael

larrytti

You have been playing for 38 years where .........in your ba*****t ?

If you read the FAQs & the Horrible Truth about this God-forsaken
excuse for a sport, you won't be posting non-sense like this for someone
38 years in it. You have to be EXTREMELY narrow-minded to look away
from the abuse & racism that goes on here.

Read the FAQs etc below with an open mind & then decide........hopefully
you will find a more fulfilling hobby that this.

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robert mayer

As you've probably noticed already, this newsgroup is deteriorating at
a rapid pace thanks to one particular schizophrenic individual who
seemingly has no purpose in life other than to try to ruin table
tennis for everyone else.

If you want some meaningful table tennis discussion, you can find it
at http://tabletennis.about.com or the recently launched forum at
http://www.usatt.org. You'll no longer find any more of it here.

- Robert -

caccobio10

the problem with a flip is that it is not fast enough to be a winner
(usually, especially at the higher levels). The other problem is that it
leaves you slightly off balance, and definitely it leaves you very close to
the table. So, after a pro executes a flip, he finds himself totally leaned
forward and in. At this point, he has to deal with a big shot coming back.
This is not an ideal position to deal with a big shot. Unless your flip was
a winner. But it usually isn't, because yes the pro's serves are hard to
flip for a winner.

I find the pros would rather do a short return of a short serve. This
enables them to stay in balance and get back in time for the next shot
(hopefully the opponent will try to flip

Overall, learning to return serves short is a great thing to learn. It's a
really good neutralizer. And it gives you more choices (between attacking,
or pushing long).

As for camaraderie, it really depends on the person, and on the club. Here
in AZ most everyone is willing to help each other as long as some basic
common sense things are done (for example, the top players need to get in
their own practice time first before they can start giving free lessons,
etc. )

marco

romtti

I think NOT.
It is racists & hatemongers like Roberet Mayer who are destroying
table-tennis.
Read the webpage below that describes Robert Mayer's idiotic
statements defending racists in his Official capacity as USATT
vice-president


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denis

Yeah right ......a secret forum for racists moderated by hatemongers
Gee I did not know KKK was suubsidizing the USATT, I thought
it was just the IOC .

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