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I'm speaking only for myself here, but Brian, fuck right off. Buck-passing
asshole.

bq

It might be because you live down east now, and likely talk out of both
sides of your mouth, , but you just spoke for me too! bq

ajh

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bryce fountain

Oh, so letting in goals from center ice, the halfboards, and all over
the place is OK? We were at a groupgame versus Colorado where he let
the FIRST THREE SHOTS IN. Yes, the score was the 3-1, and Potvin's
save percentage was 0.00 at the five minute mark of the hockey game.
Then after the game, Burke blasted the fans for booing Potvin. Yes,
it's the fans fault that Potvin lost the game.

If he sucks ass, then he'd better be gone. Burke is trying to deflect
criticism away from himself for his complete inability to acquire a
good goaltender. He said it himself. The fans like and support good
goaltenders. if he didn't keep putting shit in the net, then he
wouldn't have a problem.

And you probably don't even know Quinn's first name, because your
knowledge of the Canucks was clearly acquired by watching Sports Page
once on mute.

foamy

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First off, he's a great

Unfortunately, it was the short stretches he played poorly-- the time
between the puck leaving the stick and arriving at the net.

Bastard fans ! What a strange concept.

Now I wonder who else's fault it is ? Yep, the fans.


Thanks BB, I was wondering why Felix isn't here any more.

Jim

neil kelsey

Buck-passing


Maybe Brian Burke would do better just to make no comment, but I don't see
what good it would do to start slagging Potvin and ridicule another GM who
signs him, for the following reasons:

1. Burke needs to be able to make trades. If he compliments other GMs
then they woud be more willing to talk with Burke than if he called them
incompetent morons. Insulting them would make them less willing or unwilling
to talk, and then Brian Burke would not be able to do his job.
2. It is in the Vancouver Canucks interest for other teams to sign lousy
players. If Burke praises players, other GMs are more likely to sign them
than if he called them useless pieces of shit (in public). Personally, I am
glad that Potvin is still playing (for someone else) but I'm sorry to see
him leave our division. Just as I am glad Murray Baron plays for St. Louis
and Trent Klatt is with LA.
3. Even if Burke thinks Potvin is a lousy goalie (I'd bet he does), it
would do no good to insult Potvin in public because that would make other
players less willing to sign here, and would not impress current Canucks
either.

bryce fountain

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Your reasons probably have some merit, but is it really in Burke's
best interest to insult the fans his teams profits from?

foamy

Neil, I think you are missing the point. No one said BB should denigrate
Potvin. The question is why does he feel it's in anyone's best interest to
call Vancouver fans assholes. Cause that's what he's doing. We're assholes,
we know nothing about goalies, Potvin was great but we dicks ran him out
of town. Burke simply cannot resist the opportunity to absolve himself of all
responsibility at every opportunity. He mentioned he's gone through 14
goalies, and you know who's fault that is ? Yep--certainly not his-- but
ours--the fine residents of the goalie graveyard.

Jim

neil kelsey

see

who

I don't feel the same way. He never called us assholes. He said we ran
Potvin out of town (which is true, I know I was in the crowd screaming at
Potvin with a LOT of others). That's a neutral statement. Burke can either
say that or say Potvin played himself out of town (which is true as well).
My point was that it is not in the Vancouver Canucks best interest for Burke
to insult Potvin by saying how poorly he played here. That is Bobby Clarke's
style, and I suspect a lot of players do not appreciate it.

Burke never said this. You're reading into his words to get this, but I get
something else.


Now I agree with this. Burke has a healthy ego, and is not inclined to point
fingers at himself. In his defence, he's a guy with a very public job, and
it is not human nature to offer yourself up to be skewered when you have
other options. Gordon Campbell can still blame the NDP. And I have heard
Burke shoulder the blame for some things on occassion, I just can't remember
what. Maybe he's hanging on to Cloutier too long, but again, I don't see it
as useful to (a la Bobby Clarke) give Cloutier the bum's rush out the door.
Keep turning over goalie talent and eventually one's going to work out (I
think it'll be Alex Auld). And then Cloutier will have trade value because
Burke hasn't undermined it.

foamy

He's only insulting the fans who go to the game, watch on tv, and live in the
goalie graveyard. Along with you Neil, who's left he isn't insulting ? I can
appreciate you trying to be fair, but you can't alter what he says in order
to accomplish it. He has made it clear on many occasions he's had to move
goalies because the fans drove them out of town. Not _some_ fans. And
besides, if it was only some fans, why would he feel he had to trade the
goalies ? He moved the goalies because they stunk, no one can question
that, and he is covering his ass by laying the blame onto Vancouver fans.

But I have to say, I'm not in the least bit insulted by being thought of
as helping to drive those goalies out of town. Given their play, I wear
it as a badge of honor.


Well that only depends upon whether you believe him or not. There's no
objective determination as to whether he's lying. I do know it's on the record
he stated Allen had to get in the lineup this year, so who was going to sit
if it wasn't Baron ? I think he wanted Baron in a reduced role as insurance,
and that explains the contract amount. But we haven't heard him say that.


" We can't win on the road, and we can't win at home. My failure as a coach is
I can't think of anywhere else to play. " Harry Neale.

I don't think we were poorly served by our GM's, I think the problem is the
team was never was never good enough or never bad enough. Never bad
enough to get the star to build around, and never good enough to go deep.
When I remember the GM's, Poille, Laycoe, Maloney, Milford, Neale, Quinn...
[ anyone else ? ], they were all pretty good hockey guys. The only


I'm being totally honest here, and I too have seen them all, I hate this era.
I don't like the team and there's only a couple players I have any degree of
affection for, but not one I would care if they were dealt.
and I think Burke


When Burke GM's the team to 6 consecutive playoff years with 2--1st round
exits, 3--2nd round exits and within a goal post of the cup as Quinn did,
I'll give him his props. Until then, Quinn is still the man in my books.

I agree with your assessment that Quinn was loyal to a fault, and it prevented
him from making moves in a beneficial and timely manner. But he also gave
me at least, a team I loved to watch. A team I would switch with the current
version in a heartbeat.

Jim