contact_me_in_usa

There have been many arguments about just what a "Carry" is and I
personally would like to throw out all the so called rules that
determine that an open palm hit below the waist is a thrown or lifted
ball. I have heard several rule interpritations and none of them make
a clear case for or against the fault ruling. And it is not fair play
to have one referee call it a fault and another not. Does anyone have
a desisive explaination?

Also I have been called "Throwing" or "Pushing" the ball because my
wrist broke after hitting the ball with two hands together open palms
up above my shoulders. Is this a fault, explain why.

In the above, if my hands were not together and I hit the ball at the
same time is this a fault?

I sure would like to see some picture examples of proper and improper
hits/sets/blocks/service ect.

your name here=harvey

In article <67f96be4.0405091355.2c2b6765@posting.google.com>,
contact_me_in_usa@yahoo.com says...


I'm not an official referee, etc.

However, I've always got the message that the only legal carry
is the 'set' technique, where you set the ball with with open fingers -
using both hands. Players use this technique to push the ball to a
precise location, hoping to put the ball within court on the other
side, or for tipping purposes - though it is primarily used for
setting the ball.

The only other technique that is reliable and is used by experienced
players, is using the bottom of your hands (like when you pound
a table) - in volleyball you clasp both hands together, forming a
flat base on the bottom of your hands, you aim this about 45 degrees
upwards as a passing technique, (letting the ball bounce off your
flat base) or aim horizontal to send the ball across the net.

The most often used technique is the dig - if the dig is not suitable,
using just one arm to keep the ball in play, or use a closed fist
to keep the ball in the air - or variations on a spike, when the ball
is not in an ideal spiking position.

People who can't dig, who use open palms at the dig level -
is interpreted as 'carrying' the ball - in strict competition rules,
this is not allowed, but allowed in social volleyball.

Harvey

bruno wolff iii

The rule is that if you throw the ball it is illegal. There is no rule about
contacting a ball with an open palm below the waist. And it is certainly
possible to legally play the ball that way.

bruno wolff iii

Setting with your hands does not permit you to throw the ball.

People used to play the ball this way when you weren't allowed to double
hit the ball using finger action. You really don't normally want to do this
any more as you will have better control with open hands.


There is no rule like this. The rule addresses whether the ball is thrown
or not. Even if someone is using open palms, a hard hit ball is very likely
to rebound off their hands and in this case the play would legal.

If you are going to relax the ball handling rules for social volleyball,
I would suggest still enforcing the rule prohibitting throws, but relax
the rules on double hits since this will allow people to practice setting
without getting whistled nearly all of the time while learning to set.

your name here=harvey

In article <slrnc9tmuf.q9q.bruno@localhost.localdomain>, bruno@wolff.to
says...

This technique is still useful - because it's about the only technique
available, that is reliable when receiving a very hard and fast high ball.
While experienced players can use the fingers 'set' technique - the force
of the ball can be very difficult to handle with 'set'.
And if the ball being used is 'hard' or rock hard, you don't want to risk
injuring your fingers using the 'set' technique in this instance.

Harvey

todd haverkos

contact_me_in_usa@yahoo.com (Contact_Me_in_USA) writes:

The short answer is "no." Each referee, even at the highest levels
of play, tends to call this slightly differently.

If I'm picturing this correctly, I'm envisioning a contact that might
be both a throw and a double contact. Are we talking about a rather
recreational/backyard level of play?

I'm afraid there isn't an online resource for you there. However, I'd
encourage you to see higher level volleyball--perhaps quality college
level play if you can find any now (or wait till this fall) and see
how it's being called. Or hang out at an outdoor facility where good
beach players are playing and see what they bark about to get a better
feel.

Best Regards,
--
--
Todd Haverkos tdh@vbref.org
http://www.vbref.org/

bub

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In "old school" volleyball, in 6 man, any hard driven ball above your head
is either - not your ball or out of bounds. Open hand digs are judged (or
should be) like any other pass. Prolong contact and multiple attempts are
still illegal. On the first team contact (blocks do not count) you can have
multiple contacts as long as there is not a multiple attempt to play the
ball or prolong contact.

It has been argued here that all "carries" are prolong contact. Lifts,
throws, multiple change of direction, and the ball rolling on the player all
require prolong contact. So for example an open hand pass is not illegal
above or below the was as long as there is not prolonged contact.

Jim -